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TugCE
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Mar 24, 2016

Nissan Diesel

My Buddy and I stopped to look at one of the Nissan Diesels they had a $65,000 price on it. Looking a little closer to the sticker the Dealer added $6,800 for their "Add On's". It was a really nice truck but for that price you could get a loaded 3500.

So the salesman admitted that he was new so he brought out the expert on the Trucks. So, I asked him what was the max payload that you could put in the bed. He went back in and returned to tell us that it was around 1,500 pounds. I showed him the door sticker (there was not any stickers in the glove box) which listed 1,488 pounds total, including Passengers and Cargo. The look on his face was priceless.

By the time we were getting ready to leave he was asking me questions about Why the rating was so low. Hopefully he learned a couple of things but I doubt it.
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  • jerem0621's avatar
    jerem0621
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    Mar 25, 2016
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    My take on this Nissan Diesel is that it will be an outstanding half ton tow vehicle.

    With LT tires, decent suspension, sturdy frame, 500 lb ft of TQ it will jerk half ton towable TT's with ease. It should help a lot of newbies make the jump from car to truck...from not towing to towing...with ease.

    Maybe I am reading too much into it...but I think there is a market for this truck...a true 3/4 ton truck...not a HD truck hiding behind 3/4 ton badges.

    Just like GM and Toyota have proved that there is a market for a 3/4 size "half ton"...

    thanks!

    Jeremiah
  • goducks10's avatar
    goducks10
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    Mar 25, 2016
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    drittal wrote:
    Basically, some of you will never like it because it's a nissan. Some of you won't ever like it because it's not a 2500. Some won't like it because it's not a 1500.

    Some will like it because they don't want or need a 2500 but are left wanting a better towing experience than a gas V8 1500.


    Spot on.
  • TugCE's avatar
    TugCE
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    Mar 25, 2016
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    The rear axle is Definitely NOT Full Floating.

    As for Payload, At first the Salesman at first said that you could put maybe 600-900 pounds on the GN hitch, which I was pleasantly surprised with as it was most likely pretty close to the truth. After he went back in to "re-check the numbers" he came out and said, before I showed him the sticker, that you could put 1,500-1,600 pounds in the Goose Neck Hitch.

    As for the Truck it was really nice but I did forget the most important thing. For $65,000 you get a TWO WHEEL DRIVE Truck! I missed this but my buddy went so far as looking under it to make sure it was not 4x4.
  • drittal's avatar
    drittal
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    Basically, some of you will never like it because it's a nissan. Some of you won't ever like it because it's not a 2500. Some won't like it because it's not a 1500.

    Some will like it because they don't want or need a 2500 but are left wanting a better towing experience than a gas V8 1500.
  • drittal's avatar
    drittal
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    Mar 25, 2016
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    Yeah, but add 500lbs of GVWR and now the argument isn't how low the payload, but why buy a truck with 9400lb GVWR and small diesel when I can buy 2500 with same payload and more power.

    The XD is basically a 1500 with GVWR high enough to handle a 5.0l cummins.
  • otrfun's avatar
    otrfun
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    Mar 25, 2016
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    It would be interesting to see the internal correspondence between Nissan's marketing and engineering departments when the whole Cummins XD Cummins program was in its infancy. Did they originally intend the Nissan XD Cummins to be a "tweener" with 1400-1500 lbs. of payload? Or, did engineering (or their bean counters) promise something they couldn't deliver?

    IMO, the Nissan's XD Cummins' apparent lack of a full-floating axle is its potential downfall. Certainly the frame and differential are in "tweener" territory. The Aisin tranny is HD capable. As for the suspension, increasing payload with a couple more leaf-springs is a cheap, low R&D fix.

    This truck only needed a measly 400-500 lb. higher GVWR to make it really competitive and a real "tweener".
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    rjstractor
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    Mar 25, 2016
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    brulaz wrote:
    Supposed to be a modified frame from a NV3500. And the drive train up to and including the rear differential is very stout as well to support the Cummins torque.

    What seems to be limiting payload is the rest of the rear axle: semi-float, and the nice/soft suspension, wheels and maybe tires.


    I agree, subbing in a few components from the NV3500 would give the truck a RGWAR of over 6000, a GVWR of around 10K and a payload of 3K. The problem is that it would then get trounced in the horsepower and torque ratings of the big 3's 2500 series trucks. Nissan couldn't really claim better mileage either since there are no EPA ratings in that weight class. Doesn't seem as though the XD really gets much better MPG anyway.
  • kw_00's avatar
    kw_00
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    Mar 25, 2016
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    I think my buddy's new Chevy Colorado 4 cylinder gas truck has more payload..... But people will buy the Nissan and lift it up and make it look like an HD truck. So many newer 1/2 tons in my area are just like that... Some look good, most look all glitzy.....but all loose payload and power when they lift it, and put big tires on it... Looks good but not for me.. I need a truck that works, if not then it's gone and onto one that does..
  • brulaz's avatar
    brulaz
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    GeoBoy wrote:
    I glanced at a Nissan/Cummins as I was coming out of the hardware store and the frame tube looked awful small to me. Maybe that is why it is only rated at 1500 lb. total payload. $65K!! are they kidding?


    Supposed to be a modified frame from a NV3500. And the drive train up to and including the rear differential is very stout as well to support the Cummins torque.

    What seems to be limiting payload is the rest of the rear axle: semi-float, and the nice/soft suspension, wheels and maybe tires.

    A quick change in that area (HD payload option?) would make a more capable truck. But it would then compete with the other diesel "3/4 tons". So why not buy a RAM Cummins 2500 instead? Especially as it appears to get about the same mileage. Not very good mileage is another weak point with the 5L Cummins for some reason.

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With LT tires, decent suspension, sturdy frame, 500 lb ft of TQ it will jerk half ton towable TT's with ease. It should help a lot of newbies make the jump from car to truck...from not towing to towing...with ease.

Maybe I am reading too much into it...but I think there is a market for this truck...a true 3/4 ton truck...not a HD truck hiding behind 3/4 ton badges.

Just like GM and Toyota have proved that there is a market for a 3/4 size \"half ton\"...

thanks!

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With LT tires, decent suspension, sturdy frame, 500 lb ft of TQ it will jerk half ton towable TT's with ease. It should help a lot of newbies make the jump from car to truck...from not towing to towing...with ease.

Maybe I am reading too much into it...but I think there is a market for this truck...a true 3/4 ton truck...not a HD truck hiding behind 3/4 ton badges.

Just like GM and Toyota have proved that there is a market for a 3/4 size \"half ton\"...

thanks!

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drittal wrote:
Basically, some of you will never like it because it's a nissan. Some of you won't ever like it because it's not a 2500. Some won't like it because it's not a 1500.

Some will like it because they don't want or need a 2500 but are left wanting a better towing experience than a gas V8 1500.


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drittal wrote:
Basically, some of you will never like it because it's a nissan. Some of you won't ever like it because it's not a 2500. Some won't like it because it's not a 1500.

Some will like it because they don't want or need a 2500 but are left wanting a better towing experience than a gas V8 1500.


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As for Payload, At first the Salesman at first said that you could put maybe 600-900 pounds on the GN hitch, which I was pleasantly surprised with as it was most likely pretty close to the truth. After he went back in to \"re-check the numbers\" he came out and said, before I showed him the sticker, that you could put 1,500-1,600 pounds in the Goose Neck Hitch.

As for the Truck it was really nice but I did forget the most important thing. For $65,000 you get a TWO WHEEL DRIVE Truck! I missed this but my buddy went so far as looking under it to make sure it was not 4x4.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-03-25T05:14:45.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-03-25T05:14:45.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":426},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2131653/message:2131677","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"642","rawBody":"The rear axle is Definitely NOT Full Floating.

As for Payload, At first the Salesman at first said that you could put maybe 600-900 pounds on the GN hitch, which I was pleasantly surprised with as it was most likely pretty close to the truth. After he went back in to \"re-check the numbers\" he came out and said, before I showed him the sticker, that you could put 1,500-1,600 pounds in the Goose Neck Hitch.

As for the Truck it was really nice but I did forget the most important thing. For $65,000 you get a TWO WHEEL DRIVE Truck! I missed this but my buddy went so far as looking under it to make sure it was not 4x4.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2131677_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:298056":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:298056","uid":298056,"login":"drittal","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-01-24T12:50:29.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:298056"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2131676":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2131676","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2131676":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:298056"},"id":"message:2131676","revisionNum":1,"uid":2131676,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2131653"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2131653"},"subject":"Re: Nissan Diesel","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2131676"},"body":"Basically, some of you will never like it because it's a nissan. Some of you won't ever like it because it's not a 2500. Some won't like it because it's not a 1500.

Some will like it because they don't want or need a 2500 but are left wanting a better towing experience than a gas V8 1500.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-03-25T05:12:13.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-03-25T05:12:13.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":426},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2131653/message:2131676","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"300","rawBody":"Basically, some of you will never like it because it's a nissan. Some of you won't ever like it because it's not a 2500. Some won't like it because it's not a 1500.

Some will like it because they don't want or need a 2500 but are left wanting a better towing experience than a gas V8 1500.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2131676_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2131675":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2131675","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2131675":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:298056"},"id":"message:2131675","revisionNum":1,"uid":2131675,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2131653"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2131653"},"subject":"Re: Nissan Diesel","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2131675"},"body":"Yeah, but add 500lbs of GVWR and now the argument isn't how low the payload, but why buy a truck with 9400lb GVWR and small diesel when I can buy 2500 with same payload and more power.

The XD is basically a 1500 with GVWR high enough to handle a 5.0l cummins.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-03-25T05:06:50.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-03-25T05:06:50.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":426},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2131653/message:2131675","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"270","rawBody":"Yeah, but add 500lbs of GVWR and now the argument isn't how low the payload, but why buy a truck with 9400lb GVWR and small diesel when I can buy 2500 with same payload and more power.

The XD is basically a 1500 with GVWR high enough to handle a 5.0l cummins.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2131675_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:49898":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:49898","uid":49898,"login":"otrfun","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-09-08T08:52:30.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:49898"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2131674":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2131674","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2131674":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:49898"},"id":"message:2131674","revisionNum":1,"uid":2131674,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2131653"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2131653"},"subject":"Re: Nissan Diesel","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2131674"},"body":"It would be interesting to see the internal correspondence between Nissan's marketing and engineering departments when the whole Cummins XD Cummins program was in its infancy. Did they originally intend the Nissan XD Cummins to be a \"tweener\" with 1400-1500 lbs. of payload? Or, did engineering (or their bean counters) promise something they couldn't deliver?

IMO, the Nissan's XD Cummins' apparent lack of a full-floating axle is its potential downfall. Certainly the frame and differential are in \"tweener\" territory. The Aisin tranny is HD capable. As for the suspension, increasing payload with a couple more leaf-springs is a cheap, low R&D fix.

This truck only needed a measly 400-500 lb. higher GVWR to make it really competitive and a real \"tweener\".","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-03-24T19:27:28.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-03-24T19:27:28.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":426},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2131653/message:2131674","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"794","rawBody":"It would be interesting to see the internal correspondence between Nissan's marketing and engineering departments when the whole Cummins XD Cummins program was in its infancy. Did they originally intend the Nissan XD Cummins to be a \"tweener\" with 1400-1500 lbs. of payload? Or, did engineering (or their bean counters) promise something they couldn't deliver?

IMO, the Nissan's XD Cummins' apparent lack of a full-floating axle is its potential downfall. Certainly the frame and differential are in \"tweener\" territory. The Aisin tranny is HD capable. As for the suspension, increasing payload with a couple more leaf-springs is a cheap, low R&D fix.

This truck only needed a measly 400-500 lb. higher GVWR to make it really competitive and a real \"tweener\".","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2131674_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:39":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:39","position":29,"name":"Nomad","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:26619":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:26619","uid":26619,"login":"rjstractor","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-01-20T09:42:23.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:39"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:26619"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2131673":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2131673","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2131673":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:26619"},"id":"message:2131673","revisionNum":1,"uid":2131673,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2131653"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2131653"},"subject":"Re: Nissan Diesel","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2131673"},"body":"
brulaz wrote:
Supposed to be a modified frame from a NV3500. And the drive train up to and including the rear differential is very stout as well to support the Cummins torque.

What seems to be limiting payload is the rest of the rear axle: semi-float, and the nice/soft suspension, wheels and maybe tires.


I agree, subbing in a few components from the NV3500 would give the truck a RGWAR of over 6000, a GVWR of around 10K and a payload of 3K. The problem is that it would then get trounced in the horsepower and torque ratings of the big 3's 2500 series trucks. Nissan couldn't really claim better mileage either since there are no EPA ratings in that weight class. Doesn't seem as though the XD really gets much better MPG anyway.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-03-24T17:45:56.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-03-24T17:45:56.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":426},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2131653/message:2131673","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"789","rawBody":"
brulaz wrote:
Supposed to be a modified frame from a NV3500. And the drive train up to and including the rear differential is very stout as well to support the Cummins torque.

What seems to be limiting payload is the rest of the rear axle: semi-float, and the nice/soft suspension, wheels and maybe tires.


I agree, subbing in a few components from the NV3500 would give the truck a RGWAR of over 6000, a GVWR of around 10K and a payload of 3K. The problem is that it would then get trounced in the horsepower and torque ratings of the big 3's 2500 series trucks. Nissan couldn't really claim better mileage either since there are no EPA ratings in that weight class. Doesn't seem as though the XD really gets much better MPG anyway.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2131673_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:112386":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:112386","uid":112386,"login":"kw_00","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-05-13T06:43:13.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:112386"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2131672":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2131672","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2131672":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:112386"},"id":"message:2131672","revisionNum":1,"uid":2131672,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2131653"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2131653"},"subject":"Re: Nissan Diesel","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2131672"},"body":"I think my buddy's new Chevy Colorado 4 cylinder gas truck has more payload..... But people will buy the Nissan and lift it up and make it look like an HD truck. So many newer 1/2 tons in my area are just like that... Some look good, most look all glitzy.....but all loose payload and power when they lift it, and put big tires on it... Looks good but not for me.. I need a truck that works, if not then it's gone and onto one that does..","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-03-24T17:38:14.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-03-24T17:38:14.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":427},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2131653/message:2131672","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"438","rawBody":"I think my buddy's new Chevy Colorado 4 cylinder gas truck has more payload..... But people will buy the Nissan and lift it up and make it look like an HD truck. So many newer 1/2 tons in my area are just like that... Some look good, most look all glitzy.....but all loose payload and power when they lift it, and put big tires on it... Looks good but not for me.. I need a truck that works, if not then it's gone and onto one that does..","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2131672_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2131671":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2131671","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2131671":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:248535"},"id":"message:2131671","revisionNum":1,"uid":2131671,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2131653"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2131653"},"subject":"Re: Nissan Diesel","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2131671"},"body":"
GeoBoy wrote:
I glanced at a Nissan/Cummins as I was coming out of the hardware store and the frame tube looked awful small to me. Maybe that is why it is only rated at 1500 lb. total payload. $65K!! are they kidding?


Supposed to be a modified frame from a NV3500. And the drive train up to and including the rear differential is very stout as well to support the Cummins torque.

What seems to be limiting payload is the rest of the rear axle: semi-float, and the nice/soft suspension, wheels and maybe tires.

A quick change in that area (HD payload option?) would make a more capable truck. But it would then compete with the other diesel \"3/4 tons\". So why not buy a RAM Cummins 2500 instead? Especially as it appears to get about the same mileage. Not very good mileage is another weak point with the 5L Cummins for some reason.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-03-24T17:07:56.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-03-24T17:07:56.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":426},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2131653/message:2131671","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"895","rawBody":"
GeoBoy wrote:
I glanced at a Nissan/Cummins as I was coming out of the hardware store and the frame tube looked awful small to me. Maybe that is why it is only rated at 1500 lb. total payload. $65K!! are they kidding?


Supposed to be a modified frame from a NV3500. And the drive train up to and including the rear differential is very stout as well to support the Cummins torque.

What seems to be limiting payload is the rest of the rear axle: semi-float, and the nice/soft suspension, wheels and maybe tires.

A quick change in that area (HD payload option?) would make a more capable truck. But it would then compete with the other diesel \"3/4 tons\". So why not buy a RAM Cummins 2500 instead? Especially as it appears to get about the same mileage. 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