Long Term Nissan Titan XD Diesel Update

jerem0621 wrote:
Mine didn't.. mine was more than 200 lbs different totally unloaded to the positive...GVWR minus scaled weight... proved to me that at least in my application it was false. The payload sticker on my van was 200 ish lbs less than what my van actually weighs vs GVWR...hence my silly conclusion.

And thanks for confirming my point... the payload sticker only matters on the day it rolls off the assembly line... after that you are on your own to do your own due diligence. Unless it's my T&C and it's blatentenly false.

I've hijacked this thread long enough... The Titan is a beast trying to find its way in a very competitive market. For me, its a great truck. Light enough to fit in day to day life and heavy enough to be a stable trailer tower.

For me, I really want to buy a Titan XD. I think they are fantastic and perfect for my application. But, I am going to have to wait for them to start showing up more and more on the used market. I can't afford a 60k truck.. and yes. I want all the bells and whistles too.

Thanks

Jeremiah

You are drawing a lot of conclusions from one little Old mini van!
The Dr. weighed me when I was born but I don't think he expected it to be accurate the rest of my life,but it was accurate that moment in time.

Mine didn't.. mine was more than 200 lbs different totally unloaded to the positive...GVWR minus scaled weight... proved to me that at least in my application it was false. The payload sticker on my van was 200 ish lbs less than what my van actually weighs vs GVWR...hence my silly conclusion.

And thanks for confirming my point... the payload sticker only matters on the day it rolls off the assembly line... after that you are on your own to do your own due diligence. Unless it's my T&C and it's blatentenly false.

I've hijacked this thread long enough... The Titan is a beast trying to find its way in a very competitive market. For me, its a great truck. Light enough to fit in day to day life and heavy enough to be a stable trailer tower.

For me, I really want to buy a Titan XD. I think they are fantastic and perfect for my application. But, I am going to have to wait for them to start showing up more and more on the used market. I can't afford a 60k truck.. and yes. I want all the bells and whistles too.

Thanks

Jeremiah

jerem0621 wrote:
Thanks for the feedback... I was referencing the payload sticker in the door jamb of vehicles as 'silly'...they do not reflect the max tire loading at all... go look on any new auto and compare the payload stickers tire load rating to the stamp on the sidewalls of the tires... for most half tons the sticker is figured at 36-40 PSI...as an example... air the tires up to max sidewall pressure and the sticker no longer reflects what the tires themselves can carry...same if you air the tires down... most P rated truck tires have a max PSI of 44-50 PSI nowadays.

It is my understanding that the payload sticker is figured with OEM tires on the factory floor at the stated PSI on the sticker...please correct me if I am wrong about this.

Add aftermarket bed covers, side steps, tool box, load range E tires, or big knobby tires and the payload sticker on the door jamb becomes irrelevant.

Every "how much can I tow" thread agrees with me that the payload sticker is silly... especially when the advice is given to go fill up your gas tank and go weigh the truck and subtract the scale weight from the GVWR to get your real payload... that advice is saying ignore the payload sticker and use a scale to verify real payload vs the real world.

Just so I am clear, I agree,the stamp ratings on the tire sidewalls are absolute DOT enforceable and NOT to be exceeded.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

First off, the payload rating rates the entire truck. The payload rating is only as strong as its weakest link--which could be the frame, suspension, tires, etc. If you use the proper OEM recommended size/load/speed rated tires at the PSI recommended on the door jam sticker your tires will support the stated payload rating. Change any of these parameters and all bets are off.

Secondly, the door jam payload rating sticker on your truck is accurate the moment it leaves the factory. It sounds like you expect the payload rating sticker to be some kind of artifically intelligent assistant that calculates all these variables after the truck leaves the factory. That sounds silly to me. After your truck leaves the dealership, it's up to you, as the owner of the truck, to practice due diligence, and keep tabs on any modifications or changes that may effect the payload rating. In my mind, not any more difficult (or silly) than keeping track of needed maintenance.

If I take the time to completely empty my truck, and deduct/add the weight for mods after my truck left the factory, I've found my OEM payload sticker to be accurate.

Fast Mopar wrote:

jerem0621 wrote:
I found something similar when we were shopping for our Van. All of the Town & Countries had the exact same payload sticker and number regardless of options at that dealership... when I had my Van serviced a few states away while on travel I found that the Town & Countries there had the same payload number...regardless of options.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

I agree with this. The payload on my low option Grand Caravan is listed as the same as the loaded Town & Country vans I have looked at, which makes absolutely no sense at all.

However, at the same time, I disagree with the "silly" reference when it comes to the tags. I work for a large American OEM tire manufacturer, and I can assure you that the load rating numbers stamped on your tires are not "silly" by any means.

Thanks for the feedback... I was referencing the payload sticker in the door jamb of vehicles as 'silly'...they do not reflect the max tire loading at all... go look on any new auto and compare the payload stickers tire load rating to the stamp on the sidewalls of the tires... for most half tons the sticker is figured at 36-40 PSI...as an example... air the tires up to max sidewall pressure and the sticker no longer reflects what the tires themselves can carry...same if you air the tires down... most P rated truck tires have a max PSI of 44-50 PSI nowadays.

It is my understanding that the payload sticker is figured with OEM tires on the factory floor at the stated PSI on the sticker...please correct me if I am wrong about this.

Add aftermarket bed covers, side steps, tool box, load range E tires, or big knobby tires and the payload sticker on the door jamb becomes irrelevant.

Every "how much can I tow" thread agrees with me that the payload sticker is silly... especially when the advice is given to go fill up your gas tank and go weigh the truck and subtract the scale weight from the GVWR to get your real payload... that advice is saying ignore the payload sticker and use a scale to verify real payload vs the real world.

Just so I am clear, I agree,the stamp ratings on the tire sidewalls are absolute DOT enforceable and NOT to be exceeded.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

jerem0621 wrote:
I found something similar when we were shopping for our Van. All of the Town & Countries had the exact same payload sticker and number regardless of options at that dealership... when I had my Van serviced a few states away while on travel I found that the Town & Countries there had the same payload number...regardless of options.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

I agree with this. The payload on my low option Grand Caravan is listed as the same as the loaded Town & Country vans I have looked at, which makes absolutely no sense at all.

However, at the same time, I disagree with the "silly" reference when it comes to the tags. I work for a large American OEM tire manufacturer, and I can assure you that the load rating numbers stamped on your tires are not "silly" by any means.

Not according to Ford. This is taken from my manual.

"The braking system of the tow vehicle is rated for operation at the GVWR"

Yeah all trucks can stop its gvwr if it has one....however read a little more on the gvwr/gawr subject and find Ford also says in their Fleet body service weight specs; ........
#4...... *Front and rear GAWRs will, in all cases, sum to a number equal to or greater than the GVWR for the particular vehicle.*
Example.....the Titan may have a 4900 rawr and a (est) 5000 fawr = 9900 lb minimum braking performance. Truck makers do their own testing but you can bet the brake systems on our trucks now days far exceeds even the gawrs which is the minimum.

I don't care for the Nissan product, never have never will. I checked them out a few months back and thought wow the inside is nice. Outside was a no go on my style, others may like it, payload was so low with the diesel. I don't think it's a bad truck, just not for me. I'm still trying to figure out why Nissan just did not go 3/4 ton? I suspect the 1/2 ton market is strong and they want a larger piece of the pie. For those who bought I it the XD version, keep us updated on your experiences. I am watching this engine only because of hearing that the tundra may come with it. At least from what I heard which I could be wrong, if so ingor my last. If Toyota will use it, I wonder how it will be package? Will it be an XD type Nissan truck or a true 3/4 ton offering. Just throwing this out there since we are now discussing payload. I believe that payload is important. In accidents that I have personally worked, I usually find the truck underrated for the particular towing unit that's attached to it. Whether it be a TT, 5th wheel or gooseneck involved, I always check what type of tow vehicle was involved and the weights/capacities of both. Regardless of what prices are for trucks, people need to buy the right truck for the job. I really don't care if it's an 1/2 ton 3/4 or 1 ton. All do a great job in pulling there rated amounts. Crazy thing is now we are getting mid sized trucks getting in the game with impressive payload and towing numbers..... And then GM throws in a game changer and goes diesel.... Going to be interesting when the Ford Ranger hits the playing field again in America. I have said it for months and will keep saying... The midsized market is going to really grow. When Fuel goes back up for whatever reasons, a lot of people just driving around big trucks cause there cool will be unloading them and going smaller....

Grit dog wrote:
You tell the ole lady to lay off the cheese log and rum balls so you don't have to re calc your payload this month??

That sounds like a fantastic way to kick off the new year! :B

The payload tag does carry an almost holy reverence on this site. I think how important it is really depends on the particulars of the situation. My wife's Pilot has a higher payload rating than a lot of half ton crew cab trucks. Can it carry a 1400 lb load as well? Obviously no.

demiles wrote:
Otrfun, the truck I have works just fine for me thank you.

Demiles, I totally get that . . . I really do.

However, we are engaged in an open debate about the pros and cons of the Nissan Cummins. Like any debate both parties have a position to defend.

You believe the Nissan Cummins offers good value. It's obvious from your defense of the truck, you truly believe that. As for me, I believe otherwise.

If our banter has changed even one person's perspective about the Nissan Cummins, then this debate will have served its purpose.

Otrfun, the truck I have works just fine for me thank you.