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Rickincali
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Sep 18, 2016

Looking for help on TT decision

Hello everyone.

I am in the market for a travel trailer and have found one I like and I think I can tow but I want to see if anyone can take a look at the numbers and double check to make sure I am not overlooking anything.

We currently have a 2013 Toyota Sequoia SR5 W/Tow Package. As is well known the limiting factor on the Sequoias is the cargo capacity.

We have been looking and have found a trailer we like, think we can safely tow and have got it down to what we think is a good price.

Here are the details I am working with.

GVWR of Truck - 7100
Tow Capacity - 7400
GCWR of Truck - 16000
RAWR of Truck - 4280
FAWR of Truck - 3900
Curb weight of Truck - 5730
Payload - 1350
Max tongue weight - 1000

I am going to a scale this week to get actual weights of the front/rear axle and current vehicle weight. We usually travel just my wife, 2 labs and myself.

I assume with the trailer we will keep most of the cargo in the trailer except some snacks so I am going to get it weighed with the 4 of us and a full tank of gas.


Here are the numbers I am working with.

Payload of 1350 - 500(Wife, dogs and myself)= 850

So as long as the tongue weight is under 850 I think we should be good?


Here are the trailer details.

Heartland Mallard M27

GVWR 6,900 lbs
Dry Weight 5,500 lbs
Hitch Weight 475 lbs
Width 8' 0"
Height 11' 2"
Length 30' 4"
Fresh Water 36 gal
Gray Water 37 gal
Black Water 35 gal
LP Capacity(2) 20 lbs

Since the cargo weight is my primary concern, the hitch weight is what I am focusing on here(Maybe I shouldn't be?)
The GVWR is 500 Lbs under my TVs towing limit and I am anticipating about 1000 Lbs cargo added to the trailer when we are out on trips which would leave us about 900 Lbs cushion.

Based on the trailer numbers the 475 hitch weight is about 9% of dry weight. Continuing with that 9%, even fully loaded the hitch weight would be roughly 621. I don't think we will ever get it that heavy but we never know until we start packing. Based on the 1000 Lbs of cargo I am looking at 6500 @ 9% = 585 hitch weight.

Even at 621 hitch weight it is still under 850 so I believe I should be good.

Here are my questions.

Should I be giving myself more cushion on the max trailer weight?

Is the trailer too long for the Sequoias 122 wheel base?

Once we start loading with full propane tanks and cargo would the hitch weight go up significantly?

Is 9% a number subject to change based on how we load the TT?

Am I missing anything here?

Thanks in advance for any assistance with this. I will update this post with actual weights once I get them.

-Rick

18 Replies

  • Welcome Rick!
    I won't get into all the technical stuff because it's already pretty well spelling out for you above. Not only that but based off your initial post it's pretty obvious that you are a smart man and already done your homework pretty well before even posting. Big kudos to you for that too!
    I'll just say this. You can probably pull it off. However, I feel your gonna be exhausted and stressed slap out when reaching your destination. That my friend is no fun and greatly reduces the fun, relaxation, and enjoyment of the RVing experience. My honest advice is to either look smaller or look for a more capable tow vehicle. Best of luck to you!
  • It is probably marginal but safe to do with an experienced and careful operator. How well it performs hooked up is completely subjective. A good integrated WD/SC hitch is a must in this situation.
  • Rickincali wrote:
    Thanks for the replies. I will get my TV weighed and see where I am at then. This is quite a learning experience to say the least.


    Weighing tow vehicles usually results in a surprise. There just seems to be that 250# or so that you can't account for. According to the sticker on the door my truck weighed 6960# coming off the factory line and I've never weighed it at under about 7250#. I'm about 80# over the allotted driver weight that should be already accounted for but who knows? Past that I suppose it's just the stuff that I always have in the truck - bowl of change in the console, floor mats, etc, etc.

    As for your TT I think you're pushing it. I did the whole towing at the max with a 1/2 ton and it's just not that enjoyable compared to what RVing can be.
  • Your tongue weight will be higher than you think and will probably put you right at, or even slightly over your payload number. With that said I still think you'll be fine towing that tt. Payload numbers are only one factor to consider and are very conservative. A hundred pounds over isn't going to hurt anything. I'm not saying you should ignore it but I wouldn't base my decision on that alone. More importantly you will be well under the axle and tire ratings.

    If you're really concerned about staying under payload consider that a portion (~20percent)of that tongue weight will get transferred back onto the tt axles through the use of a wd hitch. See if the dealer will let you hook up and go to the scales. It won't be loaded but will give you an idea of actual weight.
  • Travel trailers do not tow well at 9 percent TW. You will want 12-14. When you use a WDH, some of the loaded TW is carried by the trailer axles. Most TTs under 6k dry should work well for you. Use a WDH with integrated sway control. Use tow/haul transmission mode.

    This assumes that you have 5.7L/4.30 axle so power is not a problem.
  • Thanks for the replies. I will get my TV weighed and see where I am at then. This is quite a learning experience to say the least.
  • Tongue weight will most likely be more in the range of 12% (6500/12%---780#)

    500# for you, wife, 2 Labs------PLUS everything in trucks CAB (door pockets, seat pockets, floor, under seat etc) plus hitch (then tongue weight)

    You will be very close.

    Best is to load truck up 'camp ready' and get weighed.
    Payload, RAWR, Rear Tire Max Load Rating will be the limiting factors.

    But with 'camp ready' weights of truck you will be in a better position to do the needed math.
    More informed.....better decisions
  • Rick,

    Welcome!!!

    Regarding the trailer in question, you will actually have a ~600lb tw once the propane tanks and a battery are on the tongue. Not sure what the layout is, or how you may pack, but you generally need 12-15% for a safe, stable tow. Yes, some trailers may be ok with a little less, but others like a little more. Last thing you want is to find out the hard way. If the tt is ~6500lbs loaded, you could have a tw of ~780-975lbs (12-15%). It looks like you will be under the receiver hitch rating but hard to say about the tv payload. The other number to watch close is the rear axle rating (rar).

    Make sure you get a good wdh w/ integrated away control. And the correct rated wd bars for the loaded tw. That is a little longer tt for the slightly shorter tv you have.

    Good luck!!!