ksss wrote:
At a time when many on here bash GM for their ignition switch issues (which is deserved) it is interesting that when the wind blows the skirt up at FORD over the 6.0 issue, it is not very pretty either (save it, I know no one has died over a 6.0L engine issue). Deleting emails to save themselves from lawsuits, and masking repair issues to get the engine past the warranty period so the costs were transferred to the customer is not very ethical either.
T-he 6.4 had fewer issues after its initial 1.5 years in service than the 6.0 had in its "most problems have been resolved" years of 06-07. It is interesting because the 6.4 is not known for having a stellar reliability record either.
I think it is also interesting that the according to Navistar, the 06-07 models while better than previous models from a repair standpoint, still had far to many issues. Kind of kills the chorus here that says the later versions solved the problems that plagued the issues of the early versions. Ford clearly was not willing/able to solve any of the root design issues through out the production life of the 6.0L. Only the aftermarket was willing to do that, with some degree of success.
It is evident that the engine was flawed. If you were one of the original 6.0 purchasers I can understand MAYBE why getting it "bulletproofed" could make sense. However why people keep posting on here "I can get a great deal on a 6.0, should I buy It?" escapes me. Than you get the 6.0 owners that have not seen the issues typically displayed by the 6.0, chime in how it is the haters that bring the reputation of the 6.0 down. Ford and Navistar themselves in their own words, through emails that did not get deleted, can be shown here telling the truth about their own product and it is ugly. Why some of Ford's own customers refuse to acknowledge what Ford/Navistar themselves clearly admit, shows that brand loyalty can become much more powerful than the product itself.
That brand loyalty has served Ford very well. Given that Ford still commands the sales lead in diesel pickups, many of the current 6.7 owners were 6.0 and 6.4 owners, the majority I would say (given what we know about the reliability record of the 6.0 and 6.4) had been kicked in the junk by Ford in the past, yet are able to see past that to own another. Even after knowing or suspecting that Ford was transferring costs of repair from Ford to themselves. Powerful mojo.
Very well said. As much as my 6.0L was not a disaster like so many of them are, I definitely took it in the shorts from Ford in the end with poor resale value. As I stated earlier I had quite the time getting anything decent for my truck and I was told outright several times "your truck is in beautiful spotless condition but it is a tough sell with that engine". One dealership told me outright that they did not want it on trade.
As you can see in my signature I did not go with Ford again, and in fact did not even look at the Ford 6.7L. I fully intend on keeping this truck for a long time and several common problems I read about with the 6.7L did not give me the confidence that it would be the most reliable truck for the long haul. The one that really turned me off was the HPFP destroying itself along with the rest of the fuel system and Ford not covering the issue under warranty. As I intend on keeping my truck well beyond the end of the warranty period I decided that the risk of this repair was not one I was willing to take and slashed the Ford from my list.
As much as the Ram is not perfect my research did not turn up any major common issues like the Ford 6.7L has so they earned my business. And I am perfectly happy with my decision so far. I have also noticed that diesel Rams in this area tend to have higher resale value than 6.7L Fords so that is a bonus too.
