Max Tow F150s

Samsonsworld wrote:
Reminds me of back in the day. I hate helmets. I used to wear shorts and nikes when out riding my atv's. Heck, a shirt was optional. I knew other guys that would come with helmet, goggles, roost protector, gloves and boots, even when it was 100 degrees. I dressed for the ride. They dressed for the wreck. It's a wonder I'm not dead, and looking back....it's hard to say they were wrong.

You might get away towing heavy with a half ton. I got away with that too, for years and years. But it's still hard for me to say the other guys are wrong.

Now one of my F150's is 4800 lbs. My F250 is 7200 lbs. With a large travel trailer behind you, which do you think is going to handle the load better when it hits the fan? I think that's what drives most of these guys. They're simply dressing for the wreck, not for the ideal situation.

I get your point, but there is one problem, you only say that when it's a 1/2 ton or below vehicle towing that 80% safe zone you guys once claim was a good safe cushion, but you won't say you need a 4500/5500 when the trailer is 80% of he 2500/3500 ratings.

How much cushion do you need for that 14,000lbs TT rated 2500...probably none.

I've never heard anyone questioning maxing over those low 2,000lbs payload 2500 diesels, or the those inadequate gas 250 straining to tow against its ratings.

Which huge cushion are we going to proclaim we need?

Keep in mind, many 1/2 ton owners are convinced most have flat out bias against the 1/2 to, and it is apparent that any and every excuse will be used as to why folks need a 3/4 ton for anything over a pop-up.

I'm placing my bet on Ford engineering and owners who tow heavy with HDPP truck, and I think they know a lot more than you guys do about its capabilities.

Reminds me of back in the day. I hate helmets. I used to wear shorts and nikes when out riding my atv's. Heck, a shirt was optional. I knew other guys that would come with helmet, goggles, roost protector, gloves and boots, even when it was 100 degrees. I dressed for the ride. They dressed for the wreck. It's a wonder I'm not dead, and looking back....it's hard to say they were wrong.

You might get away towing heavy with a half ton. I got away with that too, for years and years. But it's still hard for me to say the other guys are wrong.

Now one of my F150's is 4800 lbs. My F250 is 7200 lbs. With a large travel trailer behind you, which do you think is going to handle the load better when it hits the fan? I think that's what drives most of these guys. They're simply dressing for the wreck, not for the ideal situation.

Lantley wrote:
Maury82 wrote:
Remember, you are trying to get people to spend their hard earned money on one vehicle versus another, and not just talking about what you like about your truck.

A 10,500lbs trailer is pushing it on a few ratings with a 1/2 ton, and I wouldn't want to be towing regularly with even a HDPP 1/2 ton.

You are up here contending that the HDPP trucks aren't meant to tow within its ratings on a regular basis, and it will not hold up mechanically if towing within capacity, but it is OK towing heavy only on occasion, and you are trying to influence people to spend their money based on what you are merely speculating.

Remember, you haven't towed anything with a modern HDPP 1/2 ton.

Remember, your words are contradicting both Ford engineering claims of the HDPP trucks specifically designed features for both heavier payloads and additional towing features. And you are contradicting what actual owners are saying.

Nothing is wrong with you having your opinion, but I would be foolish to spend my money based on your speculations without first hand knowledge, versus driver of HDPP truck who are actually towing, and particularly when your comments are tainted heavily with bias.

Your heavily tainted bias against the 1/2 ton trucks carries less weight than the specs in a brochure, and definitely not over the words and actual experiences of the guys who are actually towing heavy TT with theirs.

You need to ask them about the HDPP trucks, and learn from them, because you can't offer any information regarding the trucks...I'm just seeing a lot of smoke...lol.

Actually I'm not trying to get people to spend their money. That is there decision. I am not a salesman. My advice is worth exactly what you paid for it!
I am giving insight into what makes a good tow vehicle and why.
I am not concerned with fuel efficiency,soft ride,interior gadgetry,cameras bluetooth etc.
My comments are based strictly on towing characteristics. An exhaust brake which is a towing feature, is way more important to me than, any feature mentioned above.
There is nothing 1/2 ton drivers can tell me that will lead me to believe they will outperform a bigger heavier truck with an exhaust brake. Experience allows me to see through the marketing hype and brochures because I have come down that mountain with an without the exhaust brake.
Down shifting trannies are nice but they are not a substitute for an exhaust brake.
My bias on 1/2 tons is strictly related to their ability to tow heavy RV trailers.
I'm not saying 1/2 tons can't do it at all if properly equipped. But I am saying if your plans are to tow a large heavy TT without limitations based on: distance,terrain or cargo capacity. There are more capable, competitively priced vehicles available that will deliver a better towing experience.
If you are after a relaxing tow experience in all conditions, skip the 1/2 tons. While greatly improved, they still are not equipped to tow a heavy trailer as well as a larger truck.....My bias/thoughts are based on my experiences YMMV!

You can get a F450/550 to tow your 10,500lbs trailer even better and more stable, but your truck handles your trailer just fine.

My TT is 37ft, 8,300lbs dry/9,900lbs gross.

I think that is too much for your typical off the lot 1/2 with those 1,800 or 2,000lbs payloads and limited hitch ratings, but I have LT tires, extra heavy duty 4800lbs RAWR, 1,320 lbs of hitch ratings, 11,700lbs tow ratings, 157 inch wheelbase, 2,470lbs payload, 3.73 rear end, extra heavy duty engineered suspension components for towing heavy, but I'm supposed to take your words that this truck can't safely tow and handle that trailer, but I need a heavier duty truck to be comfortable and safe...my smoke detectors are going off...lol.

A lot of smoke!!...lol.

And no, I will not be carry a lot of stuff, and there are no five kids and a wife, or 500lbs of paper plates and bed sheets to be found... I can carry two 30lbs propane tanks myself, so that won't cause my front end to come off the ground...lol.

No one is questioning, or has questioned y your truck, or its abilities to tow safely, but you have been questioning the towing capabilities of the HDPP trucks, and how we will be safer and happier in a heavier truck.

Samsonsworld wrote:
F250: Anything you can do, I can do better!
I can do anything better than you!

F150: No you can't
F250: Yes, I can
F150: No, you can't
F250: Yes, I can
F150: No, you can't
F250: Yes, I can, Yes, I can!


:P

Actually, that isn't happening.

What is happening, is they are saying the 150 can't tow, not that it can tow well, but the 250 can tow the same load even better.

They are not saying the 150 can tow so and so weight and length trailer well and it is within ratings, but you can improve your towing with these enhancements, such as stiffer TV and HD trailer tires, better brakes pads/rotors, better shocks, etc.

They are saying you can't tow that trailer, even when within ratings, and you can't stop, you are going to have the tail wag the dog, you are going to be unsafe, and to resolve that, just get a bigger truck.

They don't bother even acknowledging whether the 150 can even tow the trailer safely, but just you can't tow it, and you need a bigger truck.

A lot of guys can't grasp or understand that there are actual people who don't want a biggest possible truck, and towing safely doesn't start at the biggest possible truck on the market.

Listen to how they keep mentioning how close the 150 is to a 250 in price...they are clueless as to why people just don't want a huge truck.

Don’t bring a knife to a gunfight!

Maury82 wrote:
Remember, you are trying to get people to spend their hard earned money on one vehicle versus another, and not just talking about what you like about your truck.

A 10,500lbs trailer is pushing it on a few ratings with a 1/2 ton, and I wouldn't want to be towing regularly with even a HDPP 1/2 ton.

You are up here contending that the HDPP trucks aren't meant to tow within its ratings on a regular basis, and it will not hold up mechanically if towing within capacity, but it is OK towing heavy only on occasion, and you are trying to influence people to spend their money based on what you are merely speculating.

Remember, you haven't towed anything with a modern HDPP 1/2 ton.

Remember, your words are contradicting both Ford engineering claims of the HDPP trucks specifically designed features for both heavier payloads and additional towing features. And you are contradicting what actual owners are saying.

Nothing is wrong with you having your opinion, but I would be foolish to spend my money based on your speculations without first hand knowledge, versus driver of HDPP truck who are actually towing, and particularly when your comments are tainted heavily with bias.

Your heavily tainted bias against the 1/2 ton trucks carries less weight than the specs in a brochure, and definitely not over the words and actual experiences of the guys who are actually towing heavy TT with theirs.

You need to ask them about the HDPP trucks, and learn from them, because you can't offer any information regarding the trucks...I'm just seeing a lot of smoke...lol.

Actually I'm not trying to get people to spend their money. That is there decision. I am not a salesman. My advice is worth exactly what you paid for it!
I am giving insight into what makes a good tow vehicle and why.
I am not concerned with fuel efficiency,soft ride,interior gadgetry,cameras bluetooth etc.
My comments are based strictly on towing characteristics. An exhaust brake which is a towing feature, is way more important to me than, any feature mentioned above.
There is nothing 1/2 ton drivers can tell me that will lead me to believe they will outperform a bigger heavier truck with an exhaust brake. Experience allows me to see through the marketing hype and brochures because I have come down that mountain with an without the exhaust brake.
Down shifting trannies are nice but they are not a substitute for an exhaust brake.
My bias on 1/2 tons is strictly related to their ability to tow heavy RV trailers.
I'm not saying 1/2 tons can't do it at all if properly equipped. But I am saying if your plans are to tow a large heavy TT without limitations based on: distance,terrain or cargo capacity. There are more capable, competitively priced vehicles available that will deliver a better towing experience.
If you are after a relaxing tow experience in all conditions, skip the 1/2 tons. While greatly improved, they still are not equipped to tow a heavy trailer as well as a larger truck.....My bias/thoughts are based on my experiences YMMV!

demiles wrote:
The Max Tow package maximizes GCWR. The HDPP maximizes GVWR of the truck. The Hdpp with a high GVWR rating will get a lower tongue and TWR because some SAE j2807 tests require loading to RAWR/GVWR

I'm not going to say you are wrong or what ratings your HDPP truck has, but I will tell you the ratings on my 2018, XLT, 3.5 EB, 4X4, 6.5ft bed truck has.

The hitch on my truck is rated for the maximum allowed rating, even if the towing capacity may be lower. Your HDPP hitch may be different.

Hitch: 13,200lbs max tow ratings

Hitch: 1,320lbs WDH ratings.

GVWR: 7850 lbs

FRT GAWR: 3750 lbs

RR GAWR: 4800 lbs

Payload: 2,472 lbs

Those numbers came from the stickers on the driver's door of my truck...not dealer brochures.

I'm not sure how you can separate the Max Tow towing characteristics from the characteristics of the HDPP trucks, when the HDPP trucks automatically contains everything the Max Tow has.

F250: Anything you can do, I can do better!
I can do anything better than you!

F150: No you can't
F250: Yes, I can
F150: No, you can't
F250: Yes, I can
F150: No, you can't
F250: Yes, I can, Yes, I can!


:P

The Max Tow package maximizes GCWR. The HDPP maximizes GVWR of the truck. The Hdpp with a high GVWR rating will get a lower tongue and TWR because some SAE j2807 tests require loading to RAWR/GVWR

Lantley wrote:

Maury82 wrote:

Maury82 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

Maury82 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:

Huntindog wrote:
It is simple. A 250 will generally have much better durability ratings than a 150...

Really? I don't believe you. I think you're continuing to blow smoke (BS). Show me the durability rating for each.

I think one of the duty cycle issues already mentioned was Ford has no plans to put the Ego boost into the Super Duties because there are duty cycle concerns..
If you are towing within the ratings of your F-150 occasionally, I don't think there will be any duty cycle issues.
If you tow with your F-150 at your max. payload daily, duty cylce issues may occur.
I don't think duty cycle is a major factor to be concerned with, but it is a real phenomenon

I can smoke a whole Buffalo with all that smoke you are blowing...lol

I can't believe you are pushing that on vulnerable and clueless newbies under the name of an experienced member.

Towing within the F-150 capacity on occasion is ok?...lol

Just for laughs, how would towing near the max ratings of the 3/4 and 1 ton affect duty cycles?

And for an additional laughter, how can you explain the reliability of the Tundra and Tacoma?... they are reliable because the owners don't tow much?

Really depends on what your towing and where you are towing. There are plenty of 1/2 ton owners that have tried there 1/2 tons and eventually upgraded to 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.
By the same token there are one ton guys that have upgraded to duallys.
The torque provided by the ego boost is a wonderful thing, but at some point there is no substitute for mass.
If you look back in this thread some guys said they chose the ego boost package because 85% of their miles are non towing. For them I imagine the F-150 to be viable. Now had they said 85% of the miles were towing than a 3/4 or 1 ton would be a better choice.
Your bringing up the reliability of a Tacoma as a tow vehicle:h
A tacoma is a decent vehicle, but it's not much of a tow vehicle.
Tundra's are decent within their ratings but generally they are payload deficient when it comes to towing RV trailers.
Ford took the bull by the horns with their max tow, max payload package and built a 1/2 ton truck with real capability, which is why this thread exist.
Tundra and the other 1/2 tons are sitting on the sideline wondering how to compete with the payload of the EGO boost Ford.

This is an RV towing forum. The best advice I can give is to buy your last truck first. Don't play the upgrade game.
Once upon a time I towed a 11K GVW TT with a Ford Excursion. When it came time to upgrade I went straight for the dually. Not necessarily because I needed it then. But because I knew I would need it in the future.
For me the 1/2 ton truck is a temporary measure. I think anyone towing a 8K loaded or greater trailer would be better served with a 3/4 ton truck or larger. Simply because the larger truck allows one room to grow when it comes time to upgrade you won't need both a new truck and trailer.
The ironic thing in all this is it's not about money.
The difference in $$$ between a new 1/2 ton ego boost max payload, max tow and a late model dually diesel is not that great.
It's more about seeing the whole picture and gazing into the future a bit. vs. locking in and focusing on one truck and one trailer.
That is likely to change before you know it.
I know everyone is content with the rig they have and there is no need to worry or look to the future.
All 5th wheel owners said that at one time.
For those truly bit with the RV bug upgrading is inevitable. I'd be curious to know how many bought a 5'er as there 1st towable RV vs. upgrading?
If you are an OCCASIONAL tow'er that tows on generally flat ground to the beach or the local state park 6-7 times a year a 1/2 ton is fine and will meet your needs.
If you want to tow without limits, beaches, mountains, local parks, long distance destination parks and everything in between.The sooner you get a 1 ton truck the better off you'll be.

Are you serious to think that there aren't RVers who don't want a huge truck?THe issue is the RV'er wants a large trailer but doesn't want the large truck to go with ity.

Your perspectives are very one dementional, and no, I would not be happy with a 1 ton dually diesel Limited. What would I do with that thing when the truck I have should fit the bill.
[COLOR=]My comments are based on experience. A larger truck will fit the bill for a larger trailer.vs. a smaller truck should fit the bill

A One Ton is like using a commercial grade zero radius mower to mow the front yard of your small townhouse. It will do it, but you don't need it...too cumbersome.

The F150 HDPP is a unique tow vehicle thatfor some owners, has both unique combination of towing capabilities to meet our towing needs, and for me, an occasional road trip vehicle.

This F150 is a big compromise to drive, and once I break this thing in, it stays park with the trailer. I can't see myself driving that ungainly thing unless I really need it for towing or for some unique reason. I'm struggling trying put 1,000 miles on it, and I can't wait to finish up so I can get back to driving my car.

A 1 ton is a great tow vehicle, but that's it, and outside of towing, it would be useless, and just a hindrance to drive, and it gets parked with the RV.

Tell us how you tore up your newer HDPP F150 towing more than "occasionally".

If you can't tell us how your F150 HDPP held up, you are still blowing smoke up our behind again.
Correct but I can tell you how my 3/4 ton truck held up. I can tell you how an exhaust brake performs when descending a large hill towing a 10,5000# loaded trailer. The Ego boost has the engine to do the job unfortunately experience not brochures has taught me there is more to it than just the engine.

Only people who are towing with newer F150 HDPP can speak about how it tows, how it held up, it's duty cycle, reliability, etc...everyone else is blowing smoke.
Experienced smoke.Tow 10K down a 6% with and without an exhaust brake and let me know which you prefer.

Just because a person is a newbie up here, that doesn't mean they were born when we joined.

Just because I don't own a F-150 doesn't mean I don't understand how it tows

Remember, you are trying to get people to spend their hard earned money on one vehicle versus another, and not just talking about what you like about your truck.

A 10,500lbs trailer is pushing it on a few ratings with a 1/2 ton, and I wouldn't want to be towing regularly with even a HDPP 1/2 ton.

You are up here contending that the HDPP trucks aren't meant to tow within its ratings on a regular basis, and it will not hold up mechanically if towing within capacity, but it is OK towing heavy only on occasion, and you are trying to influence people to spend their money based on what you are merely speculating.

Remember, you haven't towed anything with a modern HDPP 1/2 ton.

Remember, your words are contradicting both Ford engineering claims of the HDPP trucks specifically designed features for both heavier payloads and additional towing features. And you are contradicting what actual owners are saying.

Nothing is wrong with you having your opinion, but I would be foolish to spend my money based on your speculations without first hand knowledge, versus driver of HDPP truck who are actually towing, and particularly when your comments are tainted heavily with bias.

Your heavily tainted bias against the 1/2 ton trucks carries less weight than the specs in a brochure, and definitely not over the words and actual experiences of the guys who are actually towing heavy TT with theirs.

You need to ask them about the HDPP trucks, and learn from them, because you can't offer any information regarding the trucks...I'm just seeing a lot of smoke...lol.