Max Tow F150s

Lantley wrote:
You would start with your personal bias of having the largest truck, but that wasn't what I was seeking, nor asking, but instead, you would mislead me on what you want, what you like.

You are suppose to begin with answering my questions first, and completely, then offer alternatives, options and suggestions.

I don't need to hear how you think that you should have the biggest truck, but I want to hear about my truck towing my trailer.
Maury82 wrote:
If you are speculating and have no first hand knowledge, say you don't really know for sure, but how you can assume and speculate what you feel or think might happen.

Why lie and misguide people who are depending on your word just because they are vulnerable and gullible.

Why not prove it to yourself.
Tow your trailer down a 4 mile 6% grade with your F-150.
Than do it with an F-350 SRW diesel?
Decide for yourself which one does the better job.

I'm not concerned about which can do it better, but whethere my truck can do it safely.

A corvette stops better than most cars, but that doesn't mean other vehicles doesn't stop safely

If I came to you for advice on whether my truck can stop my trailer, you should answer that question without bias, and if you are not sure, say that you aren't and are speculating.

If I need additional stopping power while trying to keep my truck, there are low cost options in the form of better rotors and brake pads that not only stops better than factors, but are better at dissipating heat.

Most people already know about big trucks and their ability to tow what they have, but if everyone just went out and purchased F450 dually diesels, they wouldn't be asking for towing advice up here.

There isn't much skill needed in telling people to get a huge 1 ton, just like there isn't much skill needed if a dentist just pull teeth for everyone who walks in his office.

Why not put your years of towing experience on display by informing people whether stiffer trailer tires help with trailer sway, whether increasing brake controller gain help with braking, what about increasing brake capacity with better components, or reducing bounce with better shocks...that is dispaying your knowledge.

Buying a huge truck is a no brainer, and most people already know that is a default choice.

demiles wrote:
...Should you care to do the math the F250 has a 15-20 mph higher point of critical speed than any F150 and including the hdpp of the same basic cab configuration.

WTFAYTA?

As mentioned previously, the payload rating does very little to increase TV towing stability. Wheelbase, mass, and tire cornering stiffness are the three largest contributors on the TV side. This why so many trucks of all classes do indeed tow well above they’re GVWR. The PSD F250 is the perfect example. It has all the characteristics to make it a good choice regardless of payload rating. Should you care to do the math the F250 has a 15-20 mph higher point of critical speed than any F150 and including the hdpp of the same basic cab configuration.

Lantley wrote:
Why not prove it to yourself.
Tow your trailer down a 4 mile 6% grade with your F-150.
Than do it with an F-350 SRW diesel?
Decide for yourself which one does the better job.

There you have it, got to have a F350 "diesel" (gasser won't do it) to tow a trailer
My truck has gear selector, rotors, and calipers. They are useful for going down a 6% grade.

Wow, you guys are making the Ram mafia guys look like slackers here!
I thought bluelaid drinkers didn’t pee in each others Cheerios?? Hahah

Maury82 wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:

Maury82 wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:
Reminds me of back in the day. I hate helmets. I used to wear shorts and nikes when out riding my atv's. Heck, a shirt was optional. I knew other guys that would come with helmet, goggles, roost protector, gloves and boots, even when it was 100 degrees. I dressed for the ride. They dressed for the wreck. It's a wonder I'm not dead, and looking back....it's hard to say they were wrong.

You might get away towing heavy with a half ton. I got away with that too, for years and years. But it's still hard for me to say the other guys are wrong.

Now one of my F150's is 4800 lbs. My F250 is 7200 lbs. With a large travel trailer behind you, which do you think is going to handle the load better when it hits the fan? I think that's what drives most of these guys. They're simply dressing for the wreck, not for the ideal situation.

I get your point, but there is one problem, you only say that when it's a 1/2 ton or below vehicle towing that 80% safe zone you guys once claim was a good safe cushion, but you won't say you need a 4500/5500 when the trailer is 80% of he 2500/3500 ratings.

How much cushion do you need for that 14,000lbs TT rated 2500...probably none.

I've never heard anyone questioning maxing over those low 2,000lbs payload 2500 diesels, or the those inadequate gas 250 straining to tow against its ratings.

Which huge cushion are we going to proclaim we need?

Keep in mind, many 1/2 ton owners are convinced most have flat out bias against the 1/2 to, and it is apparent that any and every excuse will be used as to why folks need a 3/4 ton for anything over a pop-up.

I'm placing my bet on Ford engineering and owners who tow heavy with HDPP truck, and I think they know a lot more than you guys do about its capabilities.

I'd rather have too much truck than not enough. I try to tell people to buy as much truck as you can afford and leave it there. I spend a lot of time on a fishing forum, too. People want to tow their 24' bass boat with a 2-door Jeep Wrangler. I tell them its not the best tow vehicle for the job...and its not...but deep down I bet it gets them there. People do what people do.

Payload numbers are a little bit superficial imo as they are limited to weight class and not necessarily ability. It's simply weight class minus the weight of the truck. That's how the aluminum Ford's raised the F-series payloads. Makes it look pretty good compared to the competition.

"I'd rather have too much truck than not enough."

You said not enough.

Remember, I've haven't heard many people talking about towing above a truck's capacity, that is when a truck is "not enough".

Your "not enough" is more about merely towing with a 1/2 ton, as opposed to towing over or near its maximum rating.

If I was clueless and gullible and came to you specifically on rather I could safely tow my 9,900lbs max travel trailer with my HDPP truck, and how I want to keep my truck, you wouldn't start with whether I can tow it safely, even if you have no clue how HDPP truck will tow that trailer.

You would start with your personal bias of having the largest truck, but that wasn't what I was seeking, nor asking, but instead, you would mislead me on what you want, what you like.

You are suppose to begin with answering my questions first, and completely, then offer alternatives, options and suggestions.

I don't need to hear how you think that you should have the biggest truck, but I want to hear about my truck towing my trailer.

If you are speculating and have no first hand knowledge, say you don't really know for sure, but how you can assume and speculate what you feel or think might happen.

Why lie and misguide people who are depending on your word just because they are vulnerable and gullible.

You need to lay off the caffeine. I was talking relative to one's situation. I don't feel I've misguided or lied to anybody. Talk about generalizations.

You would start with your personal bias of having the largest truck, but that wasn't what I was seeking, nor asking, but instead, you would mislead me on what you want, what you like.

You are suppose to begin with answering my questions first, and completely, then offer alternatives, options and suggestions.

I don't need to hear how you think that you should have the biggest truck, but I want to hear about my truck towing my trailer.
Maury82 wrote:
If you are speculating and have no first hand knowledge, say you don't really know for sure, but how you can assume and speculate what you feel or think might happen.

Why lie and misguide people who are depending on your word just because they are vulnerable and gullible.

Why not prove it to yourself.
Tow your trailer down a 4 mile 6% grade with your F-150.
Than do it with an F-350 SRW diesel?
Decide for yourself which one does the better job.

Samsonsworld wrote:

Maury82 wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:
Reminds me of back in the day. I hate helmets. I used to wear shorts and nikes when out riding my atv's. Heck, a shirt was optional. I knew other guys that would come with helmet, goggles, roost protector, gloves and boots, even when it was 100 degrees. I dressed for the ride. They dressed for the wreck. It's a wonder I'm not dead, and looking back....it's hard to say they were wrong.

You might get away towing heavy with a half ton. I got away with that too, for years and years. But it's still hard for me to say the other guys are wrong.

Now one of my F150's is 4800 lbs. My F250 is 7200 lbs. With a large travel trailer behind you, which do you think is going to handle the load better when it hits the fan? I think that's what drives most of these guys. They're simply dressing for the wreck, not for the ideal situation.

I get your point, but there is one problem, you only say that when it's a 1/2 ton or below vehicle towing that 80% safe zone you guys once claim was a good safe cushion, but you won't say you need a 4500/5500 when the trailer is 80% of he 2500/3500 ratings.

How much cushion do you need for that 14,000lbs TT rated 2500...probably none.

I've never heard anyone questioning maxing over those low 2,000lbs payload 2500 diesels, or the those inadequate gas 250 straining to tow against its ratings.

Which huge cushion are we going to proclaim we need?

Keep in mind, many 1/2 ton owners are convinced most have flat out bias against the 1/2 to, and it is apparent that any and every excuse will be used as to why folks need a 3/4 ton for anything over a pop-up.

I'm placing my bet on Ford engineering and owners who tow heavy with HDPP truck, and I think they know a lot more than you guys do about its capabilities.

I'd rather have too much truck than not enough. I try to tell people to buy as much truck as you can afford and leave it there. I spend a lot of time on a fishing forum, too. People want to tow their 24' bass boat with a 2-door Jeep Wrangler. I tell them its not the best tow vehicle for the job...and its not...but deep down I bet it gets them there. People do what people do.

Payload numbers are a little bit superficial imo as they are limited to weight class and not necessarily ability. It's simply weight class minus the weight of the truck. That's how the aluminum Ford's raised the F-series payloads. Makes it look pretty good compared to the competition.

"I'd rather have too much truck than not enough."

You said not enough.

Remember, I've haven't heard many people talking about towing above a truck's capacity, that is when a truck is "not enough".

Your "not enough" is more about merely towing with a 1/2 ton, as opposed to towing over or near its maximum rating.

If I was clueless and gullible and came to you specifically on rather I could safely tow my 9,900lbs max travel trailer with my HDPP truck, and how I want to keep my truck, you wouldn't start with whether I can tow it safely, even if you have no clue how HDPP truck will tow that trailer.

You would start with your personal bias of having the largest truck, but that wasn't what I was seeking, nor asking, but instead, you would mislead me on what you want, what you like.

You are suppose to begin with answering my questions first, and completely, then offer alternatives, options and suggestions.

I don't need to hear how you think that you should have the biggest truck, but I want to hear about my truck towing my trailer.

If you are speculating and have no first hand knowledge, say you don't really know for sure, but how you can assume and speculate what you feel or think might happen.

Why lie and misguide people who are depending on your word just because they are vulnerable and gullible.

Maury82 wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:
Reminds me of back in the day. I hate helmets. I used to wear shorts and nikes when out riding my atv's. Heck, a shirt was optional. I knew other guys that would come with helmet, goggles, roost protector, gloves and boots, even when it was 100 degrees. I dressed for the ride. They dressed for the wreck. It's a wonder I'm not dead, and looking back....it's hard to say they were wrong.

You might get away towing heavy with a half ton. I got away with that too, for years and years. But it's still hard for me to say the other guys are wrong.

Now one of my F150's is 4800 lbs. My F250 is 7200 lbs. With a large travel trailer behind you, which do you think is going to handle the load better when it hits the fan? I think that's what drives most of these guys. They're simply dressing for the wreck, not for the ideal situation.

I get your point, but there is one problem, you only say that when it's a 1/2 ton or below vehicle towing that 80% safe zone you guys once claim was a good safe cushion, but you won't say you need a 4500/5500 when the trailer is 80% of he 2500/3500 ratings.

How much cushion do you need for that 14,000lbs TT rated 2500...probably none.

I've never heard anyone questioning maxing over those low 2,000lbs payload 2500 diesels, or the those inadequate gas 250 straining to tow against its ratings.

Which huge cushion are we going to proclaim we need?

Keep in mind, many 1/2 ton owners are convinced most have flat out bias against the 1/2 to, and it is apparent that any and every excuse will be used as to why folks need a 3/4 ton for anything over a pop-up.

I'm placing my bet on Ford engineering and owners who tow heavy with HDPP truck, and I think they know a lot more than you guys do about its capabilities.

I'd rather have too much truck than not enough. I try to tell people to buy as much truck as you can afford and leave it there. I spend a lot of time on a fishing forum, too. People want to tow their 24' bass boat with a 2-door Jeep Wrangler. I tell them its not the best tow vehicle for the job...and its not...but deep down I bet it gets them there. People do what people do.

Payload numbers are a little bit superficial imo as they are limited to weight class and not necessarily ability. It's simply weight class minus the weight of the truck. That's how the aluminum Ford's raised the F-series payloads. Makes it look pretty good compared to the competition.

Maury82 wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:
Reminds me of back in the day. I hate helmets. I used to wear shorts and nikes when out riding my atv's. Heck, a shirt was optional. I knew other guys that would come with helmet, goggles, roost protector, gloves and boots, even when it was 100 degrees. I dressed for the ride. They dressed for the wreck. It's a wonder I'm not dead, and looking back....it's hard to say they were wrong.

You might get away towing heavy with a half ton. I got away with that too, for years and years. But it's still hard for me to say the other guys are wrong.

Now one of my F150's is 4800 lbs. My F250 is 7200 lbs. With a large travel trailer behind you, which do you think is going to handle the load better when it hits the fan? I think that's what drives most of these guys. They're simply dressing for the wreck, not for the ideal situation.

I get your point, but there is one problem, you only say that when it's a 1/2 ton or below vehicle towing that 80% safe zone you guys once claim was a good safe cushion, but you won't say you need a 4500/5500 when the trailer is 80% of he 2500/3500 ratings.

How much cushion do you need for that 14,000lbs TT rated 2500...probably none.

I've never heard anyone questioning maxing over those low 2,000lbs payload 2500 diesels, or the those inadequate gas 250 straining to tow against its ratings.

Which huge cushion are we going to proclaim we need?

Keep in mind, many 1/2 ton owners are convinced most have flat out bias against the 1/2 to, and it is apparent that any and every excuse will be used as to why folks need a 3/4 ton for anything over a pop-up.

I'm placing my bet on Ford engineering and owners who tow heavy with HDPP truck, and I think they know a lot more than you guys do about its capabilities.

A minivan has a set payload,and seating for seven people that can easily place it near near its payload rating, so I'm assuming you would just flip all your rear seats down so you can keep all that cushion.

Now extend your payload cushion analogy to to all four door cars, SUVs, vans trucks, bus, tractor trailer, etc, even if well within capacity.

How about if we just keep all those seats empty so we can enjoy the safety of the maximum payload cushion allowed.