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- If not mistaken, and I'm not exactly sure of this, wasn't the smaller Ram truck made by MItsubishi?
rjstractor wrote:
Very true. Today's "midsize" trucks are bigger, more powerful, luxurious and comfortable than small trucks of the past. However, when it comes to just hauling stuff from point A to B, the new trucks fall short compared with mini trucks of the past. Beds are smaller, payloads are less, and fuel economy is down.
Still, it seems nice to at least have a choice in size, which is what GM is doing. Look how many SUV's Ford offers to give people plenty of choices: Escape, Edge, Flex, Explorer, Expedition, and Expedition EL (plus the Lincoln MKC, MKX, MKT, Navigator, and Navigator EL).- 25 years ago you could get a 4-banger small truck for basic use for $13,000 and change.
Now, you can get a 4-banger truck that costs nearly $45k, and doesn't get any better fuel economy.
Motor Trend is a worthless publication. Read it for what NOT to buy, because their recommendations are from a bunch of latte sipping, manicured and overweight brats who have never done a day of real truck work in their lives. GWolfe wrote:
The new Colorado CC 4x4 has 200 lbs more payload than my CC 4x4 1/2 ton Silverado. The Colorados bed is longer than mine although narrower.
I think rjstractor was talking about the new mid size trucks and not full size when it was mentioned that todays trucks fall short.
my bad, been a long time since I owned a 1/2 ton truck, but I knew the beds were narrower and I DID tow a 5er with a 1/2 ton, never would have thought of doing that with the smaller truck, (and really, at the time, shouldn't have done it with a 1/2 ton...thus my first venture into a 3/4 ton truck:)).
Again, the statement was made that the "mini trucks" had more bed and payload....that was a broad statement that would possibly cover a few 1/2 ton trucks, but we're talking 2014/15 trucks, so I still say a long bed regular size pick up has more bed and more payload comparing new trucks, as we are, to new trucks.- The new Colorado CC 4x4 has 200 lbs more payload than my CC 4x4 1/2 ton Silverado. The Colorados bed is longer than mine although narrower.
I think rjstractor was talking about the new mid size trucks and not full size when it was mentioned that todays trucks fall short. rjstractor wrote:
Fast Mopar wrote:
I agree. Look at the success of the small Ford Transit Connect van. Those are all over the place, used by many businesses. Even in Texas.
Of course, these GM models are really not very small - they are larger than the compact trucks of the past.
I'm just glad GM has chosen to offer something other than a full size pickup. But, apparently very few others here have that same thought.
Very true. Today's "midsize" trucks are bigger, more powerful, luxurious and comfortable than small trucks of the past. However, when it comes to just hauling stuff from point A to B, the new trucks fall short compared with mini trucks of the past. Beds are smaller, payloads are less, and fuel economy is down.
....the new trucks fall short compared with "MINI Trucks of the past, beds are smaller and payloads are less:h Bed in my truck is 4' X 8', most beds on 1/2 ton's, 3/4 tons can be longer AND wider than on the smaller trucks, and I've not seen one of these smaller trucks have the payload of a 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton...I'll agree with you on mpg, but beds are smaller on the mini trucks and payload is usually less, thus the reason 1/2 tons and 3/4 tons are used more for towing with....agree the others would be more for towing very light weights and picking up stuff from Lowes, Home Depot, or...the grocery store.Fast Mopar wrote:
I agree. Look at the success of the small Ford Transit Connect van. Those are all over the place, used by many businesses. Even in Texas.
Of course, these GM models are really not very small - they are larger than the compact trucks of the past.
I'm just glad GM has chosen to offer something other than a full size pickup. But, apparently very few others here have that same thought.
Very true. Today's "midsize" trucks are bigger, more powerful, luxurious and comfortable than small trucks of the past. However, when it comes to just hauling stuff from point A to B, the new trucks fall short compared with mini trucks of the past. Beds are smaller, payloads are less, and fuel economy is down.Lessmore wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Lessmore wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Very Interesting
The old brand loyalty thing...again, I see. Why I ask myself.
BTW, ALL manufacturers are having difficulty with airbag malfunction...including Ford.
Here's an example.
Even more interesting Ford airbag recalls
Why would you leave your brand out of the spot light? :h
Chrysler Recall
Chrysler is not my brand. Never had one. But I'm certainly interested in considering one, next time I buy a new vehicle.
Just have had Ford, GM, Toyota, Volvo and VW in my near 50 years of ownership. Mostly GM, Ford and VW.
My point is...ALL vehicles are experiencing big recalls, not just GM...but all of them. I felt your focus on GM...alone..in a thread dedicated to a GM truck winning the MT truck of the year...was a brand loyal move. I could be wrong and please correct me, if I'm wrong, but that was my interpretation.
You will find that now and continuing in the future, federally mandated recalls...from all manufacturers will increase....due to regulatory authorities playing hardball, with increased fines and penalties, to any manufacturer that fails to heed and implement recall procedures.
I believe as a result, of increased enforcement and potentially stiffer penalties, there will be a lot more Ford, GM, Mopar Honda, Toyota, etc...recalls. IMO, there's nothing wrong with recalls. It's good for the consumer if faults are publicized and repaired by the manufacturer responsible.
Les :D
Sounds like me to some point...never owned a Dodge/Ram pick up truck until middle of 2010, though I have owned Chrysler cars, but before I ever owned a Dodge/Ram truck, only trucks I ever owned were all Chevy's....Cars?, Toyota, Honda, Jeep, Volvo, Renault, Nissan, Chevy's, Buicks, and again, Dodge and Chrysler's all from 1968 through today. Also forgot a couple of Mitsubishi's in there an a Mazda....never owned a Ford...not that I didn't want one, loved the Thunderbirds and all the Mustangs:)....just never worked out...
re-call's, from all I've seen over the last 10- 15 years has hit them all...I've seen them on BMW and Mercedes to name a few and we're just talking about the lowly "Big three here":Bobgraham wrote:
How can you lot claim there is no market for smaller trucks? There aren't any to choose from!
Everywhere else in the world small and tiny trucks are found in huge numbers, and all the manufacturers offer models. They claim that the onerous steps they would have to go through to get these minitrucks approved for the US isn't worth it until the market is there. It's a Catch-22.
You can't tell me that small businesses, mom&pop delivery services, handymen, etc wouldn't use these trucks. Especially in more crowded urban places. And personally I'd grab one of those little Korean/Japanese/whatever flat bed trucks with the foldup sides tomorrow.
I agree. Look at the success of the small Ford Transit Connect van. Those are all over the place, used by many businesses. Even in Texas.
Of course, these GM models are really not very small - they are larger than the compact trucks of the past.
I'm just glad GM has chosen to offer something other than a full size pickup. But, apparently very few others here have that same thought.- How can you lot claim there is no market for smaller trucks? There aren't any to choose from!
Everywhere else in the world small and tiny trucks are found in huge numbers, and all the manufacturers offer models. They claim that the onerous steps they would have to go through to get these minitrucks approved for the US isn't worth it until the market is there. It's a Catch-22.
You can't tell me that small businesses, mom&pop delivery services, handymen, etc wouldn't use these trucks. Especially in more crowded urban places. And personally I'd grab one of those little Korean/Japanese/whatever flat bed trucks with the foldup sides tomorrow.
