kedanie wrote:
Keep in mind that, in an earlier thread, FE all but admitted that he is indeed a "Internet Shill". His statement was that in this forum he doesn't have to admit it and you can't prove it.
Trying to argue with him is a never ending battle. He has the backing of the tire industry and the operators of this forum. The only thing you can do is point out the errors in his logic and hope that those reading will realize the fallacy that he promotes.
Keith
Keith
With all due respect, I don't agree with you. Unless I have misinterpreted his points, FE is stating a viewpoint every bit as valid and as useful as those who like to stand up and tout LT tires or Maxxis, or whatever tire is "best".
All these tire threads are essentially useless because, as was stated before:
- No one has provided information to scientific analysis that prove anything
- Marketing of tires is just like marketing of anything else, needs to be taken with a grain of salt especially when there is little / no proven technical basis
- Tires made in China or ST tires made anywhere, when used properly, work just as well as any other tire
- If there were real issues, the sales of these ST or Chinese tires woul stop, but the fact of the matter is ST and Chinese tires continue to sell despite all the "wisdom" on the Internet
- Manufacture in the USA is no guarantee, in and of itself, of quality. Junk is made here just as junk is made in China also.
- We have no way to know the exact conditions under which failed tires were used. In other words even so-called "quality" tires can fail dramatically when used outside of spec or common sense.
- Continuing these tire discussions are of little use but they still persist, because like anything on the Internet, anyone with a portal can show up and post anything as fact and countless others will latch on because "if it is written or on the Internet then it has some modicum of truth."
So it is not a case that one cannot "win" a discussion with FE. Like discussion the meaning of life, or religion, or politics, there is no one answer.
I do find it interesting that FE raises the point of ISO quality standards likely in use in these plants - as an engineer and a quality auditor, his point cannot be discounted.
