Nissan Frontier with a Cummins

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Chuck if you are talking about my post just say so.

So you are OK with your tax dollars helping a Japaneses car company when the domestics were unable to refinance their lines of credit? Even if I didn't work for Chrysler I would not be happy about that.

Nissan only has three plants in the USA at lest Honda has over 30. Not all are Automotive but they at lest have shown that they are willing to build plants here and employ American workers. But line in today's "Global Market" that is a win for us.

Don

Last I checked there was this little car company called Fiat that basically stole Chrysler,Dodge/RAM. They basically paid for Chrysler and got Jeep for free.


"One thing that can be definitively said about FCA Chief Honcho Sergio Marchionne is that he's a gifted - make that brilliant - deal maker. When he managed to abscond with Chrysler and Jeep for around $6 billion, all-in, he pulled off one of the most extraordinary deals in automotive history. And industry execs are shaking their heads while giving him props for it. Why? The Jeep brand alone is worth $6 billion. The rest of it is pure gravy."
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I buy for myself, I don't buy for anyone else. They don't make my payments or pay the repair bills. And yes I was a union member for close to 30 yrs. Being union made does not make it a better product. Why did I buy a Mexican made Ram with a USA made Cummins? Cause it was cheaper than the Ford and GM. Do I wish my Ram was made in the USA? Absolutely. Fact is you can hardly buy anything that's not made somewhere else. Globalization.

Chuck if you are talking about my post just say so.

So you are OK with your tax dollars helping a Japaneses car company when the domestics were unable to refinance their lines of credit? Even if I didn't work for Chrysler I would not be happy about that.

Nissan only has three plants in the USA at lest Honda has over 30. Not all are Automotive but they at lest have shown that they are willing to build plants here and employ American workers. But line in today's "Global Market" that is a win for us.

Don

I just knew a post like that was coming!

CKNSLS wrote:
We all know that if it's not an American Company put together by Union workers it probably isn't any good......according to this forum.

Does it count as being OK if it has a Cummins in it?

Just a heads up, I don't care if your union or non union, don't care if it's an American car company or not. But it is a kick in the boys when the US Government gives a Japaneses car company money when at the time the US car companies were struggling. That and the fact the their own Government was pumping in millions to keep them aloft kind of a hard pill to sallow don't you think?

Don

RobertRyan wrote:

tatest wrote:
I wonder why Nissan does not want to use one of the smaller diesels (1.8-2.4) that they put in that size truck for global market. Or maybe they will and pay Cummins to use the brand name?

Firstly the Cetane level of US Diesel is a lot lower than what you get in Europe and elsewhere. 2.5litre is the smallest diesel you get in a Nissan Pickup globally.
Nissan have been working with Cummins to get a Diesel engine that can run well on the fairly rough stuff you get in the US.
The Spanish built Nissan Navara is a bulked up version of the Frontier with a 2,100lb payload Dual Cab and 405 lbs ft of torque from the 3 Litre diesel.
Nissan Navara 3 litre 405lbs ft of torque.

Yepir on the cetane thing. We have Mercedes diesels in our smart cars and there is a nticeable difference if we don't add a cetane booster. Its not huge but its there. They run quieter, a little stonger and I think there is a mileage difference but that one is tough to tell. They don't tow much though. :) A little, but not much. :)

We all know that if it's not an American Company put together by Union workers it probably isn't any good......according to this forum.

Does it count as being OK if it has a Cummins in it?

If it works in the Ram 1500 and Colorado/Canyon, it could work here.

I am surprised that the fuel economy isn't a little better though.

One word comes to mind here buddy, plagiarism. You forgot the quotation marks :W
Still good information though :B
ABTW FastMopar, diesel is not the only option when visiting Europe :B

FishOnOne wrote:
Is that a Cummins label on the front fender? Fred sure knows how to stir the pot! :B

Yep an inline 4 bought and paid for with your tax dollars.

The DOE reported fuel economy of around 26 mpg when the engine was installed in the full-size Titans. We can assume those numbers would be at least 15 percent better in the Frontier. Torque ratings for the engine were reported to be 385 pounds-feet (the same as the 5.6-liter V-8 Endurance gas engine), with horsepower ratings around 200.

This smaller turbo-diesel engine could make a lot of sense in this segment. Clearly, GM hopes so when its turbo-diesels come online in 2016 in both the Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon. However, a lot depends on the price of diesel fuel and the additional cost an optional diesel engine will carry compared to Nissan's 4.0-liter V-6 gas engine.

The Cummins turbo-diesel 2.8-liter I-4 is likely to weigh more than Nissan's stout all-aluminum 4.0-liter V-6 gas engine, so that's probably why Nissan chose to put the little power plant in a two-wheel-drive Desert Runner platform. Nissan says installing the little Cummins and the ZF eight-speed transmission that sits behind it (the same one in the Ram 1500) is not easy, but it looks like it could provide some fantastic corporate average fuel economy help for the Nissan lineup. By our estimates, this engine in the midsize truck could offer more than 32 mpg on the highway, with a combined figure somewhere more than 26 mpg. That could work, especially when you look at some of the comparison numbers with other vehicles on the market already.