Question About Ford 6.0 Diesel

rhagfo wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

shum02 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Are you saying that Ford had techs that didn't know what they were doing? Who's fault is that? That does not bode well for FMC.

So..........GM and Ram tech's are infallible? I think you'd find a lot of people who have come across tech's from all manufactures who are completely incompetent regardless of training. But I think you already know this.

FMC is doing quite well but thanks for your concern. You also do know the 6.0L has been out of production since 2007 right?

I'll keep mine, bet it hits 500000kms before I even think of getting rid of it. It pulls as much as a new 6.7L, just not as fast ;)

Prime example of another poster that is ignorant of the facts or is making stuff up. :R

The Powerstroke diesel was made up until 2009 not 2007 as you say it was. It was put in 2010 Ford vehicles. Here are the facts about year production of the 6.0.

To blame the failure of the 6.0 on the techs of the time is silly. Thanks for making my point that GM and Dodge had just as good or bad techs of the time. And they didn't have a billion dollar warranty claims on the engines that were in their vehicles.

T&P, you might want to read your own link!
The 6.0 was replaced in 2008 with the 6.4, which had fewer issues, but was a fuel hog.

The 6.0 and 6.4 are based on the same basic design, but is a slightly larger displacement. It also had many emissions related changes. Ford and Navistar did work to improve the 6.4, but it was a fuel hog.

This would be like saying the Cummins 5.9 and 6.7 are the same engine. Yes based on the same basic design, but many changes for emissions.

The 6.0 continued to be produced after 2007, but wasn't sold in the F series any lonnger. It was only sold in the E-series vans.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

And they didn't have a billion dollar warranty claims on the engines that were in their vehicles.

I typically agree with what you have to share turtle, but do you happen to have the warranty spend on GM and Dodge products to compare, per truck sold? Keeping in mind that Ford probably sold 4 or 5 powerstroke engines for every 1 duramax squeezed out of the factory.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:
The only thing I would question on these figures would be how much of it was paid out for repairs or should I say replaced parts by tech's that had no idea what they were doing?
As I understand it even Ford said they had a serious problem with untrained techs in the early years of the 6.0. There was a lot of money wasted here.

Are you saying that Ford had techs that didn't know what they were doing? Who's fault is that? That does not bode well for FMC.

Was this problem with techs not knowing what they were doing ever fixed? If so, when?

The 6.0 is a model T engine compared to the 6.7. :E

Having grown up in dealerships I am smart enough to know it is not up to FMC to be sure all the tech's are well trained. It is or was up to the dealers as they are not owned by Ford. As I said, in the early years of the 6.0 there were very few tech's trained on this all new engine. If you think any auto manufacturer trains their tech's for free you are not as smart as you think. I have been to several of the schools and they are not cheap for the dealers to send their tech's too. Please oh wise one, show us all a car company that has all their techs trained on new products before they hit their show rooms!

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

shum02 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Are you saying that Ford had techs that didn't know what they were doing? Who's fault is that? That does not bode well for FMC.

So..........GM and Ram tech's are infallible? I think you'd find a lot of people who have come across tech's from all manufactures who are completely incompetent regardless of training. But I think you already know this.

FMC is doing quite well but thanks for your concern. You also do know the 6.0L has been out of production since 2007 right?

I'll keep mine, bet it hits 500000kms before I even think of getting rid of it. It pulls as much as a new 6.7L, just not as fast ;)

Prime example of another poster that is ignorant of the facts or is making stuff up. :R

The Powerstroke diesel was made up until 2009 not 2007 as you say it was. It was put in 2010 Ford vehicles. Here are the facts about year production of the 6.0.

To blame the failure of the 6.0 on the techs of the time is silly. Thanks for making my point that GM and Dodge had just as good or bad techs of the time. And they didn't have a billion dollar warranty claims on the engines that were in their vehicles.

T&P, you might want to read your own link!
The 6.0 was replaced in 2008 with the 6.4, which had fewer issues, but was a fuel hog.

The 6.0 and 6.4 are based on the same basic design, but is a slightly larger displacement. It also had many emissions related changes. Ford and Navistar did work to improve the 6.4, but it was a fuel hog.

This would be like saying the Cummins 5.9 and 6.7 are the same engine. Yes based on the same basic design, but many changes for emissions.

shum02 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Are you saying that Ford had techs that didn't know what they were doing? Who's fault is that? That does not bode well for FMC.

So..........GM and Ram tech's are infallible? I think you'd find a lot of people who have come across tech's from all manufactures who are completely incompetent regardless of training. But I think you already know this.

FMC is doing quite well but thanks for your concern. You also do know the 6.0L has been out of production since 2007 right?

I'll keep mine, bet it hits 500000kms before I even think of getting rid of it. It pulls as much as a new 6.7L, just not as fast ;)

Prime example of another poster that is ignorant of the facts or is making stuff up. :R

The Powerstroke diesel was made up until 2009 not 2007 as you say it was. It was put in 2010 Ford vehicles. Here are the facts about year production of the 6.0.

To blame the failure of the 6.0 on the techs of the time is silly. Thanks for making my point that GM and Dodge had just as good or bad techs of the time. And they didn't have a billion dollar warranty claims on the engines that were in their vehicles.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
For those of you that are throwing out failure numbers let do a little simple math. It's known that there were around a million 6.0's made.

A billion dollars (it's more now) divided by a million trucks = $1,000 in warranty costs for every single 6.0 Ford diesel engine made.

"IF" there is a 10% failure rate for these trucks (and remember, I'm not saying there is) you have a $9,000 "average warranty cost" for 10% of every 6.0 truck made. (someone check my math please and see if it's correct)

Ford said they paid out a billion dollars in warranty claims and here is the link to back up my facts.

These are numbers from Ford and informed Ford people, not me. If it makes you mad, talk to Ford, not me.

OP, all that being said, I would bullet proof it and get on with life. The rest of those trucks are very nice and have no known major problems.

1,000 for a diesel? that's chump change, or about the cost of 1 oil change. :p

shum02 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Are you saying that Ford had techs that didn't know what they were doing? Who's fault is that? That does not bode well for FMC.

So..........GM and Ram tech's are infallible? I think you'd find a lot of people who have come across tech's from all manufactures who are completely incompetent regardless of training. But I think you already know this.

FMC is doing quite well but thanks for your concern. You also do know the 6.0L has been out of production since 2007 right?

I'll keep mine, bet it hits 500000kms before I even think of getting rid of it. It pulls as much as a new 6.7L, just not as fast ;)

The thought of having to change oil in a diesel at 5,000 miles with full synthetic just does not sit well with me.

I am not saying the 6.0 can't be a strong engine, just the maintenance is too costly for a diesel.

Well I have an option of taking my truck to Cummins NW. I also have the option buying OEM parts from them also, which are usually less expensive that parts house or dealer.

In my short time on this forum, the topic of the great and powerful 6.0L has come up numerous times and still goes on and on and on...5 pages now and probably more to come.

Bottom line, the 6.0L is a great motor, technologically advanced, amazing turbo, awesome power...but was riddled with problems and serviced by tech's who didn't know what they were doing. By now, we all know how to fix a 6.0L to make them a sure-fire dependable motor (well, as sure-fire as you can get). Anyone who purchases a used 6.0L diesel truck that has not been modified ought to be prepared to spend the money and make it right. Not worth arguing about. You can pick up these trucks for low prices, modify them, and still be ahead of the game financially.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Are you saying that Ford had techs that didn't know what they were doing? Who's fault is that? That does not bode well for FMC.

So..........GM and Ram tech's are infallible? I think you'd find a lot of people who have come across tech's from all manufactures who are completely incompetent regardless of training. But I think you already know this.

FMC is doing quite well but thanks for your concern. You also do know the 6.0L has been out of production since 2007 right?

I'll keep mine, bet it hits 500000kms before I even think of getting rid of it. It pulls as much as a new 6.7L, just not as fast ;)

I have a 2005 6.0, and love it. Just returned from 15,000 roundtrip to Alaska. Pulling a SunnyBrook 31 BWFS and no problems except with the brakes on the 5th wheel. Truck preformed just fine. I did replace the EGR cooler and oil cooler at 95,000 miles. I think this truck is one of the best I have ever owned. Love driving it.
It is true that the market is depressed on the 6.0 powered trucks but they can be a good deal. Regular maintance is a must, use Motorcraft filters and Synthetic oil, (I use Rotella T-6). Change coolant regularly and enjoy your ride

Bill