Ram automatic vs asin

Grit dog wrote:
Cmon Dodge boys, no arguing amongst yourselves! Ram Mafia forever!

I never owned a 5.9, and have only owned Dodge Ram trucks for just 6 years...don't think I qualify as "Ram Mafia":B..Though I do love the truck:B..(owned Chevy trucks for 35 years and last 4 were D/A's...so I may be disqualified...but guess I am a Dodge/Ram "fanboy":)


Jim

Cmon Dodge boys, no arguing amongst yourselves! Ram Mafia forever!

I towed a 39' 9" 5er that scaled at 16,300#, ( not really that light) with both tranny's..and the 68RFE did an excellent job towing that weight through the mountains of NC, TN, VA and WV...so it handled what I considered a little heavier weight than you might give it credit for..

Please, DO NOT waste one second of your time feeling sorry for me, or even being remotely wondering if or why I might possibly be mad at you.:R...that's inanely ridiculous...Block me and never read another one of my post...it could work for both of us...

Jim

NC Hauler wrote:

Not mad at you, but a bit upset with the way you worded your post...maybe I took it the wrong way, ...but I don't think so..seemed like you had an agenda against the Aisin for no real reason..seemed to me,just because you don't like them or have no use for them

I feel sorry for you that you feel that way. Although this is a pros and cons versus debate on the Aisin and 68RFE. Both have their positives and negatives. I have said that one of the negatives of the 68RFE is that it is not for heavy towing which is why I stated in an earlier post that if I did had the need to tow heavy. There are others who have stated some cons about the Aisin in this thread as well so why are you just getting mad at me?

NC Hauler wrote:
...I never said anything about the Aisin never breaking down...but having owned cars and trucks since 1967...I've come to find this happens to a whole lot of different brands out there...ie, break down...no big deal...part of life, whether we like it or not...

I never said you did say anything about the Aisin never breaking down. However, someone in here has which is why I posted that they do break down in the medium duty trucks that we sell and have a normal failure rate just like any of our other medium duty transmission options.

NC Hauler wrote:
I don't care if you drive a DRW truck or not, AGAIN, the way YOU worded that part of your post, you made it perfectly clear, you would tow less before you'd EVER own a dually...as though they're not worth owning...

No, my exact words were " Although I can't stand driving DRW trucks and would rather lower the amount of weight I need to tow than to buy one." I stated my preference in rather lowering the amount I tow than to own a DRW truck. Am I not allowed to have that preference for myself? Did I chastise anyone for owning a DRW truck or say that others should lower the amount they tow? No.....A DRW truck is not worth owning for my wants, but I never said anything about them not being worth owning for anyone else. I am not sure how you are reading it that way.

NC Hauler wrote:
the way you presented your text, in my really dumb opinion, left some to be desired...more about...negative, don't like, don't need, don't want...no way, no how and a Dually is taboo....Your opinions, and I stated my opinion on your opinion....nothing more....nothing less.

Correct, and I am responding to your opinion you stated about you not liking my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. I can't see why you are getting so mad about me not wanting a DRW truck.

NC Hauler wrote:
I've owned and towed heavy with both...My 13' had 37,000 trouble free miles on it and it towed 16,300# flawlessly in the mountains. This truck we have now, with 3,000 miles on it tows my heavier Jayco TH even easier, but it has 50 more ft lb of TQ, and yes, I can tell it. The 68 RFE also worked flawlessly.. I paid the extra money for a medium duty tranny strapped to a medium duty Cummins diesel for our towing purposes when we retire end of July. If you have the money, it's WELL worth it in my opinion, based on fact, not hear say..I know what mine did and how it ran, and the 16' is even smoother, and much more stout..LOVE IT!! Glad I paid the little extra for it...worth every penny..


Jim

Keep in mind the comments bellow are coming from a Cummins/Aisin owner:

I think there is some chest beating about the Cummins and Aisin being medium duty. This is old news to the two other manufacturers that have run the Duramax/Allison or Powerstroke/Torqshift for years in their Class 4 and 5 offerings. Now Ford is even confident enough to use their combination in Class 6 and 7 vehicles.

I have to agree the 68RFE is probably sufficient for any current SRW application, but I would question using it in a DRW. Only time will tell whether both of these transmissions stand up to heavy use, but Ram wouldn't outsource the transmission to Aisin if it could build something comparable itself.

The horsepower/torque rating competition is getting ridiculous whether on the diesel or gasoline side and you really need to look at the Class 4 and larger offerings to get realistic ratings. Here you can see which engine and transmission will consistently output the most power and tow or haul the most weight. I don't think you should be getting the Aisin to chase a slightly higher engine tune, but look at the Aisin if you are towing close to the capacities of 68RFE (which usually means DRW applications).

ShinerBock wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:
I bought it because I wanted it, and could afford it...no "ego trip"., as you seem to insinuate...."inches" of what???:R

I didn't say anything about not buying something you want or affording it. I just told someone else that if someone doesn't tow heavy or require a PTO provision then it is not needed. And yes from the way some here in this forum like to say "medium duty transmissions" or "medium duty engine", it does seem like they say it just to get a rise. Although I don't get why they like to say it since all of the big three's engines and transmissions are in medium duty trucks. The only reason why the 68RFE wasn't in the 2007.5 to 2012 trucks even though it is now rated to tow more than those trucks while handling more engine power is because it doesn't have a PTO provision.

NC Hauler wrote:
I love my dually's..daily drove and towed with them 11 years..5 with Chevy D/A's, 3 with Cummins 68RFE and 3 with Cummins/Aisin...I tow heavy...want what I want, .and go with a dually....It's my hard earned money, guess I ought to be smart enough and able to spend it how I wish...No "sour grapes" from me..just actual facts as of now. Figure it'll outlast me, though that might not be saying much..

You may like DRW trucks which is fine, but why are you getting mad at me for not wanting to drive DRW trucks. Did I say DRW are bad or that the people that have them are bad? No. I just said I don't like them so why are you getting mad at me for not liking them? It is my own preference. Nor did

Not mad at you, but a bit upset with the way you worded your post...maybe I took it the wrong way, ...but I don't think so..seemed like you had an agenda against the Aisin for no real reason..seemed to me, just because you don't like them or have no use for them...I never said anything about the Aisin never breaking down...but having owned cars and trucks since 1967...I've come to find this happens to a whole lot of different brands out there...ie, break down...no big deal...part of life, whether we like it or not...

I don't care if you drive a DRW truck or not, AGAIN, the way YOU worded that part of your post, you made it perfectly clear, you would tow less before you'd EVER own a dually...as though they're not worth owning...

the way you presented your text, in my really dumb opinion, left some to be desired...more about...negative, don't like, don't need, don't want...no way, no how and a Dually is taboo....Your opinions, and I stated my opinion on your opinion....nothing more....nothing less.


Jim

NC Hauler wrote:
I bought it because I wanted it, and could afford it...no "ego trip"., as you seem to insinuate...."inches" of what???:R

I didn't say anything about not buying something you want or affording it. I just told someone else that if someone doesn't tow heavy or require a PTO provision then it is not needed. And yes from the way some here in this forum like to say "medium duty transmissions" or "medium duty engine", it does seem like they say it just to get a rise. Although I don't get why they like to say it since all of the big three's engines and transmissions are in medium duty trucks. The only reason why the 68RFE wasn't in the 2007.5 to 2012 trucks even though it is now rated to tow more than those trucks while handling more engine power is because it doesn't have a PTO provision.

NC Hauler wrote:
I love my dually's..daily drove and towed with them 11 years..5 with Chevy D/A's, 3 with Cummins 68RFE and 3 with Cummins/Aisin...I tow heavy...want what I want, .and go with a dually....It's my hard earned money, guess I ought to be smart enough and able to spend it how I wish...No "sour grapes" from me..just actual facts as of now. Figure it'll outlast me, though that might not be saying much..

You may like DRW trucks which is fine, but why are you getting mad at me for not wanting to drive DRW trucks. Did I say DRW are bad or that the people that have them are bad? No. I just said I don't like them so why are you getting mad at me for not liking them? It is my own preference. Nor did

I had a 68re in my 2012 and the asin in my 2014. The 68re is a fine tranny. I tow heavy and the asin was the one for me. Now they all break however the asin is a commercial grade tranny. The $2600 option is chump change when your buying a 70K to 75K truck.

ShinerBock wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
The 68 was the only auto transmission offered for my 2012. Overall, I have been very happy with it. I only have about 48,000 miles on my truck, but it is a dedicated tow vehicle, so it has been worked hard, towing up to 18,000 pounds with my 5er/boat in tandem.

Yeah, I would not believe all the hype on the Aisin. I work for a medium and heavy duty truck dealership group and we sell Hino, Isuzu, GM(gone in 2015), and medium duty Peterbilt 220s all with an Aisin option. Some here are lying to you if they say that they don't break. They do break and their failure rate is no different than the Allison transmissions offered in the very same trucks which all have less engine power ratings and are rated at a much less GCWR than the Ram with the Aisin.

The main benefit to the Aisin is the ability for a higher tow rating and a PTO. From my experience with them in our medium duties that we sell, and the fleet of 68RFE backed Rams of ours and my customers light duty fleets. I can tell you that this myth that some how the Aisin will last years and hundreds of thousands of miles longer than the 68RFE towing within each of their weight rating is just that, a myth. If the extra tow weight rating or PTO is not needed then their is really no need for the Aisin unless you just want to be able say you have a "medium duty" transmission because you like the extra inches you think it gives you every time you say that.

I don't think I would ever get an Aisin in a SRW since the 68RFE can easily handle what SRW trucks are rated at and since you cannot get shorter gears even with an Aisin in a SRW. If I could get shorter gears in a SRW with an Aisin then it might be worth it. If I needed to tow something that required a DRW then I would infidelity get the Aisin. Although I can't stand driving DRW trucks and would rather lower the amount of weight I need to tow than to buy one.

Don't know about any "myth" or even an "urban legend"...Know what I know from daily driving and towing with both from 2010- through now..nothing more..nothing less..just actual real life hands on experience. Don't need or want a PTO, but wanted TQ and tow rating.....I bought it because I wanted it, and could afford it...no "ego trip"., as you seem to insinuate...."inches" of what???:R

I love my dually's..daily drove and towed with them 11 years..5 with Chevy D/A's, 3 with Cummins 68RFE and 3 with Cummins/Aisin...I tow heavy...want what I want, .and go with a dually....It's my hard earned money, guess I ought to be smart enough and able to spend it how I wish...No "sour grapes" from me..just actual facts as of now. Figure it'll outlast me, though that might not be saying much..

everyone has different taste and reasons for why they purchase a certain type truck. I'm on no ego trip, and am sure no liar...

ShinerBock wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
The 68 was the only auto transmission offered for my 2012. Overall, I have been very happy with it. I only have about 48,000 miles on my truck, but it is a dedicated tow vehicle, so it has been worked hard, towing up to 18,000 pounds with my 5er/boat in tandem.

Yeah, I would not believe all the hype on the Aisin. I work for a medium and heavy duty truck dealership group and we sell Hino, Isuzu, GM(gone in 2015), and medium duty Peterbilt 220s all with an Aisin option. Some here are lying to you if they say that they don't break. They do break and their failure rate is no different than the Allison transmissions offered in the very same trucks which all have less engine power ratings and are rated at a much less GCWR than the Ram with the Aisin.

The main benefit to the Aisin is the ability for a higher tow rating and a PTO. From my experience with them in our medium duties that we sell, and the fleet of 68RFE backed Rams of ours and my customers light duty fleets. I can tell you that this myth that some how the Aisin will last years and hundreds of thousands of miles longer than the 68RFE towing within each of their weight rating is just that, a myth. If the extra tow weight rating or PTO is not needed then their is really no need for the Aisin unless you just want to be able say you have a "medium duty" transmission because you like the extra inches you think it gives you every time you say that.

I don't think I would ever get an Aisin in a SRW since the 68RFE can easily handle what SRW trucks are rated at and since you cannot get shorter gears even with an Aisin in a SRW. If I could get shorter gears in a SRW with an Aisin then it might be worth it. If I needed to tow something that required a DRW then I would infidelity get the Aisin. Although I can't stand driving DRW trucks and would rather lower the amount of weight I need to tow than to buy one.

I didn't bite,checked into the Aisin when I bought my 2014 3500 SRW. I will NEVER tow anymore weight then I do now a bit over 13K. If anything I may downsize. Been happy with the 68