Ram Eco-Diesel vs F150 2.7 TT - Davis Dam

mich800 wrote:

brulaz wrote:

RCMAN46 wrote:
"or the smaller cummins "

Where does this come from?

The Eco-Diesel is not related to the Cummins in any way except Ram has both engines in their lineup.

"The 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6 comes to these shores courtesy of VM Motori, a longtime Italian marine-diesel-engine builder and former affiliate of Fiat. Ownership is now, interestingly enough, split 50/50 between Chrysler/Fiat and General Motors. Yes, GM."

It is possible we may see the same Eco-Diesel in a GM vehicle.

Nah, since then GM sold out its share in VM Motori to Fiat.

Ford owns Cummins and leases the rights to Ram. GM owns VM and leases the rights to Ram. I guess that is why the R&D department is so empty at Chrysler. :)

Now how long until someone pulls up the Cummins prospectus just to be the first to prove this wrong.

OK, you're joking, but on the internet any statement can take on a certain "truthiness".:) So here's the Fiat-GM link: http://www.autonews.com/article/20131028/OEM10/131029887/fiat-buys-remainder-of-diesel-maker-vm-motori-from-gm

brulaz wrote:

RCMAN46 wrote:
"or the smaller cummins "

Where does this come from?

The Eco-Diesel is not related to the Cummins in any way except Ram has both engines in their lineup.

"The 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6 comes to these shores courtesy of VM Motori, a longtime Italian marine-diesel-engine builder and former affiliate of Fiat. Ownership is now, interestingly enough, split 50/50 between Chrysler/Fiat and General Motors. Yes, GM."

It is possible we may see the same Eco-Diesel in a GM vehicle.

Nah, since then GM sold out its share in VM Motori to Fiat.

Ford owns Cummins and leases the rights to Ram. GM owns VM and leases the rights to Ram. I guess that is why the R&D department is so empty at Chrysler. :)

Now how long until someone pulls up the Cummins prospectus just to be the first to prove this wrong.

RCMAN46 wrote:
"or the smaller cummins "

Where does this come from?

The Eco-Diesel is not related to the Cummins in any way except Ram has both engines in their lineup.

"The 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6 comes to these shores courtesy of VM Motori, a longtime Italian marine-diesel-engine builder and former affiliate of Fiat. Ownership is now, interestingly enough, split 50/50 between Chrysler/Fiat and General Motors. Yes, GM."

It is possible we may see the same Eco-Diesel in a GM vehicle.

Nah, since then GM sold out its share in VM Motori to Fiat.

mcsurveyor wrote:
To me, the biggest benefit I see with the Eco-Diesel is the towing fuel economy, which from all accounts I've heard, is tremendous. ***

But getting 15+ mpg while towing 7,000 lbs is something that I could get on board with.

I'm skeptical of 15+ mpg towing a travel trailer in the real world. Other, lower profile trailers, sure (I can get 15 mpg in my Ecoboost towing a cargo trailer that sits a tad lower than the top of my F150, for example), but a high profile brick? The physics just don't make sense to me. But if we start seeing consistent reports of that kind of fuel economy from the ED, well, that would be a huge breakthrough. I'd give up 40 seconds up the hill to gain 5-6 mpg!

RCMAN46 wrote:
"or the smaller cummins "

Where does this come from?

The Eco-Diesel is not related to the Cummins in any way except Ram has both engines in their lineup.

"The 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6 comes to these shores courtesy of VM Motori, a longtime Italian marine-diesel-engine builder and former affiliate of Fiat. Ownership is now, interestingly enough, split 50/50 between Chrysler/Fiat and General Motors. Yes, GM."

It is possible we may see the same Eco-Diesel in a GM vehicle.

The small 5.0 V8 Cummins is coming out this fall in the Nissan Titan.

"or the smaller cummins "

Where does this come from?

The Eco-Diesel is not related to the Cummins in any way except Ram has both engines in their lineup.

"The 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6 comes to these shores courtesy of VM Motori, a longtime Italian marine-diesel-engine builder and former affiliate of Fiat. Ownership is now, interestingly enough, split 50/50 between Chrysler/Fiat and General Motors. Yes, GM."

It is possible we may see the same Eco-Diesel in a GM vehicle.

Tystevens wrote:

mcsurveyor wrote:
Ok, so I read through all the comments and no one has said anything on how the 2.7 EB did against the Chevy. And seeing how the video glossed over it in about 30 seconds, it probably didn't do well enough to talk about. They claimed the 2.7 beat the 5.3 in two runs, but then lost when the outside temp went down.

My takeaway from that is there isn't a lick of performance difference between the 2.7 EB and the 5.3L, which perhaps speaks better for Ford than it does Chevy.

Well, it probably isn't that simple. I know my GM 5.3 and my 3.5 Ecoboost both get the job done, but feel very different in doing it. They both can tow up a grade in about the same amount of time. But the power delivery characteristics are probably different. The 2.7, like most turbo charged engines, probably makes near peak torque much lower in the rpm range, so it is going to feel different towing.

And the 2.7 probably is capable of a lot better mpg when driven carefully.

And that's what it comes down to. The 2.7 probably is well matched power-wise against the 5.3, but if it get's another 2-3 mpg on the highway, that's a huge plus in favor of the 2.7.

To me, the biggest benefit I see with the Eco-Diesel is the towing fuel economy, which from all accounts I've heard, is tremendous. The whole package is compromised, however, with the truck having no payload, the price of entry, and I have a suspicion that this truck was engineered strongly for mileage, not towing, and I wonder about the long term durability using it as a tow vehicle.

But getting 15+ mpg while towing 7,000 lbs is something that I could get on board with.

womps wrote:
Every time I use my F150 with the Ecoboost engine I come away saying "Boy, the power is impressive".
Every time I use my Jeep GC with the Ecodiesel engine I come away saying "Boy, the fuel economy is impressive".
And to me that sums it up!

Not a better post in this entire thread!! And there in lies the simple choice. Decide what's higher on your priority list , make the appropriate selection & allow others to do the same. We're on the threshold of an exciting new era in fuel efficient trucks that rival the capabilities of the behemoth gas guzzlers. The ecoboost & ecodiesel are just the first volleys in what promises to be some amazing advances in the light truck world. And we're sure to see a more perfect truck coming down the pike that does offer the utopian combination of power & excellent economy while maintaining reliability; whether it be the new ecoboost or the smaller cummins or who knows what, only time will tell. There are bound to be mistakes as well as great strides accomplished. At some point, one of the manufacturers are going to envoke the Peter principle when they find the point at which they have exceeded the bounds of reliability by coaxing too much power from limited displacement. But all in all, it's an exciting time to be a truck enthusiast!

FishOnOne wrote:

womps wrote:
Every time I use my F150 with the Ecoboost engine I come away saying "Boy, the power is impressive".
Every time I use my Jeep GC with the Ecodiesel engine I come away saying "Boy, the fuel economy is impressive".
And to me that sums it up!

Perhaps with the 2.7 EB one can say impressive power and fuel economy in one sentence. :B

BTW... I seen my first RAM EcoDiesel truck Saturday. It was turning into the subdivision where I live. Got to find the owner and ask some questions. :B

And we just can't wait to hear you report Tory. :W:W:W:W:W:W

Don

womps wrote:
Every time I use my F150 with the Ecoboost engine I come away saying "Boy, the power is impressive".
Every time I use my Jeep GC with the Ecodiesel engine I come away saying "Boy, the fuel economy is impressive".
And to me that sums it up!

Perhaps with the 2.7 EB one can say impressive power and fuel economy in one sentence. :B

BTW... I seen my first RAM EcoDiesel truck Saturday. It was turning into the subdivision where I live. Got to find the owner and ask some questions. :B