Ram Eco-Diesel vs F150 2.7 TT - Davis Dam
You just know it's not gonna be close!
So which is better? Horsepower or torque lol.
(The answer is both, apparently.)
So which is better? Horsepower or torque lol.
(The answer is both, apparently.)
Forum Discussion
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boocoodinkydow wrote:
does it come as a sudden revelation to some that a gas engine has better acceleration than a diesel with similar displacement?!?! this spectacular comparison test just to make a point that's been commonly accepted since the inception of the diesel engine. in the world of 3/4 & 1 ton trucks, gas option drivetrains have been faster than the diesels forever. why would you think it should be different in the 150/1500 series??
I don't know. This one is doing pretty good. :B In fact, this truck can beat a really nice stroker small block car I drive.- fwiw, a real world comparison. a couple of months ago, my son was unable to get an acceptable deal on an ecodiesel so opted for his second choice; an ecoboost. ironically, his bottom line was $400 more for the lariat ext cab than for an ed crew cab he wanted to order (it was the principle, dad). he has a 16' vee-nose trailer in which he tows his harley; est gross weight of roughly 2500#. on a trip from nashville to indy, he clocked 12.1 mpg at a speed of 65mph. a second trip to st louis netted only 10.6. i borrowed his trailer & made a round trip from east tn to nashville & back hauling a goldwing, a bmw touring bike & a ton of useless gear; est weight 4k+. with the cruise set at 65, my ecodiesel got 15.8 mpg. his best unloaded mileage has been just over 22; my best was 30.6, both hand calculated. while the ecoboost is admittedly a superior tow vehicle under extreme conditions, conditions i will most likely never subject my truck to, the comparison trips we took showed absolutely no iferiority of performance in any way from my ram. i have no resevations at all in considering tow duty with a 6-7k tt. i totally understand this isn't the ultimate tow vehicle in it's class but more than willing to accept less than optimum capabilities with heavy loads to reap the exceptional fuel econmy this pony offers.
- does it come as a sudden revelation to some that a gas engine has better acceleration than a diesel with similar displacement?!?! this spectacular comparison test just to make a point that's been commonly accepted since the inception of the diesel engine. in the world of 3/4 & 1 ton trucks, gas option drivetrains have been faster than the diesels forever. why would you think it should be different in the 150/1500 series??
Bionic Man wrote:
Hybrid, from your past posts, I would be willing to bet good $$ that the likelihood of you buying a RAM is about the same as me buying a Ford. Who are you trying to fool?
From what I've seen, hybrid hunter is far more likely to buy a ram than you are a ford. Really think about it... Your seething hatred towards ford comes across loud and clear. I've not seen the same attitude towards ram from hybrid hunter. He may not be a fan of the ecodiesel, but at least he doesn't unilaterally poopoo an entire brand like others on here.Hybridhunter wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
Hybrid, from your past posts, I would be willing to bet good $$ that the likelihood of you buying a RAM is about the same as me buying a Ford. Who are you trying to fool?
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Thanks for assuming though..... Clearly you are biased, and assume I am as well?
Yep, I am biased. Admittedly so. And I do not recall a post from you in the Tow Vehicles forum that is anything but venom towards Dodge/RAM. I (and likely many others) would be very surprised to find that you actually would purchase something you regularily bash.jerem0621 wrote:
Hybridhunter, I am curious how fast you tow? When I had my Dually I traveled about 60 mph, mostly because that was my personal limit, I had a V10 and could have pulled at 90 mph if I wanted too. When I had my 5.4 F150 I towed at the same speed.
Regardless of the hp I have, 60-65 is my personal max and I am generally in the right lane letting people pass me.
The ED is a Niche motor, I understand that, it just so happens that I fit the niche, but that's why they make different vehicles so people can buy what meets their needs in particular.
Now, I'm not excluding the smaller EcoBoost because it may be a perfect match for us. That's part of the fun of shopping.
Consistent 20 plus MPG in mixed driving plus the ability to haul a 7000 lb TT safely is a tantalizing option.
Thanks!
Jeremiah
I'll bite. I usually head out, with a plan to tow at 62ish. But on the interstate, I get lulled into speeding up, as I don't like the speed differential with other traffic. I also travel 800 miles a day to try to get to faraway places. So I usually travel at 70, when conditions call for it, I go 75 on occasion. It sucks fuel, but sometimes I only have a certain amount of time to get somewhere. Everyone can start the philosophical attacks about safety, but my weights are all in check, and the safety factor of a brand new truck, and all it's safety features makes it safer at 75 than an older truck at 65. 600 000+ miles and no accidents, I'll stick with what I'm doing!
But I do try to keep my speed steady, so 70 uphill, down, into the wind, or whatever. I'm a busy person, I can afford the gas, but I could really care less what is under the hood, and what rpm it is at. If the truck can do it, I'm not paying extra for some nebulous rpm reduction, or some warm fussy feeling brought on by such things.
Is it worth the cash for the ED when it costs $4K? I just don't see it, the pentastar with will do just fine, well, maybe not 7000#, but I wouldn't tow 7K with 240hp, but I have my reasons.brulaz wrote:
Like others are saying here, those two statements don't go well together. "cheap miles" and high speed towing? Doesn't compute.
For this retired, old fart who drives at 62mph to save $$$, the main problem with the EcoD is the truck's low payload, not the low HP. Although I will admit the EcoB's high HP is fun at times, I'd rather have the EcoD's mileage.
So like you, I'm waiting to see what the Nissan will be like. The Cummins 5L will have more than enough low end torque and HP, too much really, but if they don't put it in a heftier tow truck, it will be wasted on me. RAM should have kept it and put it in their 2500.
I agree.
Cheap cost per mile, used as I do. I keep my trucks for a couple years, and the new base engines can do anything the ED can do, for cheaper, so whatever gets me on the road, and does what I need, get's my $$
I wasn't ragging on older retired folks, merely pointing out the difference in expendable time, and the different needs as far with regards to travel times.
