Re test 2018 F150 Diesel takes on Ike Gauntlet

Not sure what trim levels Ford will be putting the 3.0 diesel in but Ram sells them in ever trim level for the entry Tradesman with vinyl floor to the loaded Limited. The up charge is $4750 the same as it was in 2014 when they cam out.

As for the fuel mileage debate, My truck runs mid 27 to 28 mpg @ 77 MPH and I will bet the Ford will be the same. The Ecoboost not even the 2.8 can come anywhere near that @ 77 mph. The faster/harder you run the boost the more that twin turbo drinks and if you are following Ford's own recommendation of mid grade gas (when towing) the cost is the same or higher then diesel.

Sorry boys but until you actually own one and tow with it you are only spewing rubbish.

Don

Oh BTW where are all those clowns that told me Ford and GM will never build a small diesel! You know back when I said with in four years both will be following FCA?Ram with their own offering? Where you boys at? I can't what to see GM's offering, IMO they got it right going with a in-line six and their ten speed! Why to go GM!

1320Fastback wrote:
Ford might as well take the hitch off and cover the bed. No one is going to buy a $68K half ton that is overloaded when towing with family in the vehicle.

This truck, like many, is simply for CAFE fleet standards and aimed at commuters who go to home depot on the weekends for a plant.

Anyone that pays $68k for a half ton needs their head examined, I agree. But $65k of wherever you got that price from is what the same Ecoboost would cost.
So, yeah, a little more $, less hp, but let's not pretend the truck is expensive becasue it's a diesel. It's just expensive.

The other that has to happen to get folks in construction to buy these rigs, is they can not only load them up with high end leather and carpeting. Nee the base work truck interior option! I'd look at one of those......but with GM advertising 17-24mpg with the 4.3 V6, 300 ponies or there abouts.....one is good to go if all you need is a ton of payload. Certainly better than the 11-12 mpg empty I get with my reg cab 2500 with a 4 sp auto and 350 V8.

Marty

shepstone wrote:
Seeing a fair few more of the ecodiesels turning up on construction sites, not all of the trades require a 3/4 ton or larger, just a 1/2 ton for hand tools and lighter equipment. However they won’t buy one of these new as they get too much abuse just from being onsite.

Will second this. We have over 100 foremans trucks and they are all single cab base model Chevys. The do care for them but at the same time have seen them hit shaker plates at 50mph, had a few drive into open man hole covers, one driven into a spa that wasnt there days before, over curbs and a good rate of speed, off curbs without slowing, way over laoded with lumber and plywood, ect.

Ford might as well take the hitch off and cover the bed. No one is going to buy a $68K half ton that is overloaded when towing with family in the vehicle.

This truck, like many, is simply for CAFE fleet standards and aimed at commuters who go to home depot on the weekends for a plant.

Seeing a fair few more of the ecodiesels turning up on construction sites, not all of the trades require a 3/4 ton or larger, just a 1/2 ton for hand tools and lighter equipment. However they won’t buy one of these new as they get too much abuse just from being onsite.

[ quote=Grit dog]^ Bingo!
And there IS a market for them. Yes the newer 1/2 ton V8s and high strung 6 and now forthcoming 4 bangers get pretty decent unloaded mileage, but the baby diesels get about 10 mpg better across the board. At least the ecodiesel does, idk about the 3.0 ford but would expect similar numbers.
That's huge when you put some miles on a truck. Like my work truck, 5.3 Silvy. Right now I'm packing on close to 1000mkles a week, mostly highway. Yeah it does great at about 17 mpg. But 27 mpg would be really sweet!

And the little diesels will always be carped on here, because that's what old men in the coffee shop do! The rest of the world might like them!

The cost thing is a dumb argument, especially coming from people with 6 figures plus worth of rving hardware in their sigs. Those folks should speak into their bathroom mirror rather on line!
A $5k upcharge, over say an average of 10 year vehicle ownership is what? Less than $40 a month? I'd save more fuel $ than that in a week right now with a 10mpg boost. And resale, unless they turn out to be duds, will be higher than the eq gasser as a whole.

Grit, you make it sound like small diesels are an obvious choice when you drive a lot of miles. I think you're a bit optimistic about 10mpg across the board with all things being equal. A baby powerstroke vs 2.7 EcoBoost wont be a huge difference, certainly not 10mpg. I know I'm not getting 10 better in the HD that I drive.

When you add everything up I don't see you saving money fuel wise. I drive a diesel and its maybe 25 percent better than gas but I don't think I'm saving money in the long run.

There are people who drive HD trucks on these boards who swear to never drive diesels because of maintenance and emissions equipment even though the diesel has far superior power. The baby diesel doesn't even have that advantage, in this case its less. So is the "hassle" of owning a baby diesel is worth it for a slight if any fuel savings and less power?

The poster who mentioned the cafe, that makes sense. I'll buy that one.

Dan

^ Bingo!
And there IS a market for them. Yes the newer 1/2 ton V8s and high strung 6 and now forthcoming 4 bangers get pretty decent unloaded mileage, but the baby diesels get about 10 mpg better across the board. At least the ecodiesel does, idk about the 3.0 ford but would expect similar numbers.
That's huge when you put some miles on a truck. Like my work truck, 5.3 Silvy. Right now I'm packing on close to 1000mkles a week, mostly highway. Yeah it does great at about 17 mpg. But 27 mpg would be really sweet!

And the little diesels will always be carped on here, because that's what old men in the coffee shop do! The rest of the world might like them!

The cost thing is a dumb argument, especially coming from people with 6 figures plus worth of rving hardware in their sigs. Those folks should speak into their bathroom mirror rather on line!
A $5k upcharge, over say an average of 10 year vehicle ownership is what? Less than $40 a month? I'd save more fuel $ than that in a week right now with a 10mpg boost. And resale, unless they turn out to be duds, will be higher than the eq gasser as a whole.

Hammerboy wrote:
I know I said this before but what is the purpose of this truck with a small diesel engine? Who is the target consumer? Fuel economy? Not when diesel cost more and not to mention maintenance costs more. Less capable and more expensive than Eco boost, I'm assuming less payload too.

Not being sarcastic but who are the manufacturers aiming for with these small diesels?

Dan

The main purpose of these small diesels is to increase their CAFE numbers. The mileage a manufacturer has to achieve changes year over year depending on the weighted average mpg and footprint of the vehicles they sell. If they don't hit this mileage number then their are some pretty hefty fines. So in order to ensure that they do hit this number, they sell vehicles like this even though their is a very small market for them to bring up their average mileage number while keeping their footprint average high. Basically it is better to at least make some profit or break even than paying millions in fines.

With the advancement of gas engines in the last few years I don't know if there would be a market for these small Diesels, time will tell.