TFL Gold Hitch Awards 2020

MikeRP wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I tow 25k ;)

Pictures please!

Dude where have you been???

4x4ord wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Also TFL confirmed that the Adaptive Cruise Control was used on the Ram.

I don't think that was in contention especially since it likely would not kick on due to how slow they were going. The ACC only kicks on the brakes if someone is in front of you going slower than you and I seriously doubt there was someone else going slow enough to force the ACC system to kick on the wheel end brakes the whole way down.

I agree!!! some just can't get over the FACT the CUMMINS EB does the JOB far better than the others. The sad part is there is more weight for the fastest instead of the safest!!!

Depends how you look at it. Even if the Cummins was able to hold the weight back on that grade in second gear you have to realize it was in second gear and only had 1 gear left for steep grades. The Ford was in third gear so if I was going to take a 30,000 lb trailer down a 14 % grade I'd be much more comfortable doing it with the GM or Ford from a safety perspective.

I don't think the torque converter on the Ram(or any truck) locks in 1st gear which is required to engage the exhaust brake.

Although I think the factor of the Ram being in second gear had more to do with the speed they were going. At 35 mph, they would be at 3,000 rpm. The max speed they would be able to go in 2nd would be about 39 mph at 3,400 rpm. Remember, the higher the rpm, the greater the stopping ability that the EB has.

The Ford would be a 2,800 rpm in third at 35 mph, and would be at 3,800 rpm if it shift to 2nd. I don't know the specs on the 6.7L, especially the 2020, so I am not even sure it can go into 2nd at that rpm.

The Ram also had more than enough power to hold back the weight and even kicked on and off so it would likely be able to handle even more weight. I will say that I believe that the reason why the Cummins is able to do this is due to its small restrictive turbo with its low a/r turbine housing which is a choke point and one reason why it is not making as much power as the other two. Add a larger turbo(like I have) to the Cummins and you will be able to make about another 50-75 hp without even adding more fuel.

As I said before, it is a give and take with turbos(even VGT's) and intercooler. You have to decide whether you want top end or low end power, more power in spurts or more sustained power, more power overall or better exhaust brake. This one reason why I say that there is not perfect truck for everyone and which is better may change on everyone's needs/wants our of a truck. So like your truck for the reasons why your bought it, not the reasons why you didn't.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I tow 25k ;)

Pictures please!

Cummins12V98 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Also TFL confirmed that the Adaptive Cruise Control was used on the Ram.

I don't think that was in contention especially since it likely would not kick on due to how slow they were going. The ACC only kicks on the brakes if someone is in front of you going slower than you and I seriously doubt there was someone else going slow enough to force the ACC system to kick on the wheel end brakes the whole way down.

I agree!!! some just can't get over the FACT the CUMMINS EB does the JOB far better than the others. The sad part is there is more weight for the fastest instead of the safest!!!

Depends how you look at it. Even if the Cummins was able to hold the weight back on that grade in second gear you have to realize it was in second gear and only had 1 gear left for steep grades. The Ford was in third gear so if I was going to take a 30,000 lb trailer down a 14 % grade I'd be much more comfortable doing it with the GM or Ford from a safety perspective.

I tow 25k ;)

Hey All

Gonna say it one last time, how many RVers are going to tow 30,000+ pounds? Bottom line if you say the max a dually owner (Let’s say 98% of the RV Owners) - will never tow more than 22,000 lbs AND you limit the speed going up the IKE to 60 mph, all three trucks will get to the top in nearly the same elapsed time frame.

Going downhill would be less brake applications for the Ford and GM and likely the Ram would be zero. I honestly think that for 98% of RV owners we are done being googley eyed over torque and horsepower specs and we all should start really digging in and talk about many other subjects including long term cost to operate, best time in a trucks lifecycle to sell and buy a new truck, defects certain models may still be carrying around etc, etc.

Anyone of these HD trucks will perform admirably. TfL can give out there golden hitch award but frankly they need to dig deeper to have meaningful comparisons. The fastest up the IKE means very little, and zero brake applications can be achieved by all.

I’m a Cummins fanboy, no doubt. I love to drive this truck. But I bet if I had bought a Ford or GM I would be proud of them also.

Peace.

Me Again wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
The Ram was utilizing that technology in conjunction with the eb on the downhill run.

This is an assumption that has yet to be verified. Also, if you look at the video I posted of the guy who owns a 2017, 2019, and now a 2020 PSD, he even stated multuple times in the video that the EB on the Cummins that he did a tow test on was stronger than even his 2020 PSD.

4x4ord,
What the fanboy (not that there's anything wrong with it)means is the video he posted about an owner saying a cummins exhaust brake performed better than a 2020 Power Stroke disguised as "2020 PSD owner compares to his 2019 pulling 18k lbs".

LMAO... and where he linked the video to the statement on the exhaust brake was the dead give away. And I didn't even say anything. :B

I didn't say anything because that was not what that thread was about. It was a thread about a good comparison video about the a 2019 PSD versus a 2020 PSD. My father-in-law found it useful because he was wondering how the 2020's compared to his 2019 so I figured other people would too. So no, not everyone is like you by trying to go out of their way to piss on everyone else's truck engine at every opportunity they get. Ironically, the video popped up as my recommended right after viewing your 2020 7.3L video that you posted.

And I'm sure everyone here believes you 100%... :R Otherwise nice spin!

Don't really care if they do because it is the truth. If I wanted to bring up dirt on the PSD, then don't you think I would have done it in the thread I started. Not everyone is as as extreme or spend every waking moment thinking up ways they can bring up dirt against their favorite truck's competition. I don't have that kind of time, I don't think that way about other trucks, and I just don't care enough to do so.

They all have their pluses and minuses and which is better depends on what on the needs/wants of the buyer. It also changes with every update. I can't say that the Cummins is best for everyone, just like you can't say the Powerstroke is best for everyone. I also would not rag anyone for buying a Powerstroke or Duramax, and I would also not silently feel disdained behind a keyboard about it. Again, I am just not that extreme of a fan or that way. So while you would think up things like that, others who are not as fanatical wouldn't.

Is Fish really only 12 years old?

Yeah... One of my beautiful supporters. :B

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
The Ram was utilizing that technology in conjunction with the eb on the downhill run.

This is an assumption that has yet to be verified. Also, if you look at the video I posted of the guy who owns a 2017, 2019, and now a 2020 PSD, he even stated multuple times in the video that the EB on the Cummins that he did a tow test on was stronger than even his 2020 PSD.

4x4ord,
What the fanboy (not that there's anything wrong with it)means is the video he posted about an owner saying a cummins exhaust brake performed better than a 2020 Power Stroke disguised as "2020 PSD owner compares to his 2019 pulling 18k lbs".

LMAO... and where he linked the video to the statement on the exhaust brake was the dead give away. And I didn't even say anything. :B

I didn't say anything because that was not what that thread was about. It was a thread about a good comparison video about the a 2019 PSD versus a 2020 PSD. My father-in-law found it useful because he was wondering how the 2020's compared to his 2019 so I figured other people would too. So no, not everyone is like you by trying to go out of their way to piss on everyone else's truck engine at every opportunity they get. Ironically, the video popped up as my recommended right after viewing your 2020 7.3L video that you posted.

And I'm sure everyone here believes you 100%... :R Otherwise nice spin!

Don't really care if they do because it is the truth. If I wanted to bring up dirt on the PSD, then don't you think I would have done it in the thread I started. Not everyone is as as extreme or spend every waking moment thinking up ways they can bring up dirt against their favorite truck's competition. I don't have that kind of time, I don't think that way about other trucks, and I just don't care enough to do so.

They all have their pluses and minuses and which is better depends on what on the needs/wants of the buyer. It also changes with every update. I can't say that the Cummins is best for everyone, just like you can't say the Powerstroke is best for everyone. I also would not rag anyone for buying a Powerstroke or Duramax, and I would also not silently feel disdained behind a keyboard about it. Again, I am just not that extreme of a fan or that way. So while you would think up things like that, others who are not as fanatical wouldn't.

Is Fish really only 12 years old?

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Also TFL confirmed that the Adaptive Cruise Control was used on the Ram.

I don't think that was in contention especially since it likely would not kick on due to how slow they were going. The ACC only kicks on the brakes if someone is in front of you going slower than you and I seriously doubt there was someone else going slow enough to force the ACC system to kick on the wheel end brakes the whole way down.

I agree!!! some just can't get over the FACT the CUMMINS EB does the JOB far better than the others. The sad part is there is more weight for the fastest instead of the safest!!!

LOL... The brake test was to maintain 30mph. If one had to press on the brakes several times to maintain 30 I don't see that as a safety issue. On the other hand if they where to maintain 60mph those trailer brakes could have been smokin!

I believe it was 35. LOL ;)

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
The Ram was utilizing that technology in conjunction with the eb on the downhill run.

This is an assumption that has yet to be verified. Also, if you look at the video I posted of the guy who owns a 2017, 2019, and now a 2020 PSD, he even stated multuple times in the video that the EB on the Cummins that he did a tow test on was stronger than even his 2020 PSD.

4x4ord,
What the fanboy (not that there's anything wrong with it)means is the video he posted about an owner saying a cummins exhaust brake performed better than a 2020 Power Stroke disguised as "2020 PSD owner compares to his 2019 pulling 18k lbs".

LMAO... and where he linked the video to the statement on the exhaust brake was the dead give away. And I didn't even say anything. :B

I didn't say anything because that was not what that thread was about. It was a thread about a good comparison video about the a 2019 PSD versus a 2020 PSD. My father-in-law found it useful because he was wondering how the 2020's compared to his 2019 so I figured other people would too. So no, not everyone is like you by trying to go out of their way to piss on everyone else's truck engine at every opportunity they get. Ironically, the video popped up as my recommended right after viewing your 2020 7.3L video that you posted.

And I'm sure everyone here believes you 100%... :R Otherwise nice spin!

Don't really care if they do because it is the truth. If I wanted to bring up dirt on the PSD, then don't you think I would have done it in the thread I started. Not everyone is as as extreme or spend every waking moment thinking up ways they can bring up dirt against their favorite truck's competition. I don't have that kind of time, I don't think that way about other trucks, and I just don't care enough to do so.

They all have their pluses and minuses and which is better depends on what on the needs/wants of the buyer. It also changes with every update. I can't say that the Cummins is best for everyone, just like you can't say the Powerstroke is best for everyone. I also would not rag anyone for buying a Powerstroke or Duramax, and I would also not silently feel disdained behind a keyboard about it. Again, I am just not that extreme of a fan or that way. So while you would think up things like that, others who are not as fanatical wouldn't.