The real HP/TQ numbers this is going to hurt!

Cummins12V98 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
This video was enjoyed by this forum 5 months ago! :C

Does it still hurt? :B

Just wait til the 19's come out. ;)

Hope they do a better job on the emissions than the first gen 6.7 cummins.

goducks10 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
This video was enjoyed by this forum 5 months ago! :C

You didn't watch and hope for a different outcome did you?:B

You didn't performed that 65k mile EGR cooler, EGR Valve cleaning maintenance job yet have you? :B

EstorilM wrote:

Tiger02 wrote:
These fellas seem to be fixated on torque much more so than HP. The Ford had almost 50 HP over the Dodge. With torque management and driveline variances it is a wash, even with the Chevy. The GM trucks are the best looking, and if the deal was right they would still get much consideration in my book.

The box that hasn't changed in 20yr is the best looking?

A new HD RAM coming up behind you on the highway w/ parking/cab lights on all cleaned up is about the most intimidating rig I've ever seen - blackout slant nose face lift and all.

They were the first to mold the dually flares into the vehicle, and first to have a MAJOR redesign w/ that ram front end.

Everything else kinda looks like a progression of the same stuff, with larger lights, badges, and grills.


Anyways - yeah anyone that hauls should care more about torque than HP. Especially low-end torque. Ford did a great job optimizing low-end torque on the new 6.7, but the older motors didn't generate torque till much higher. The cummins has always had class-leading low-end torque, which is just a given with a straight-six engine. A good auto trans is ideally-suited to take advantage of that low-end torque. Also why these motors are famous in boats and power-generation.

You need to do a little research. I am sure GM had the dually flares intigrated several years before Ram.

Also the 2017 Duramax makes more peak torque at a lower rpm Than the 2017 Ram.

The Duramax makes 60 more horsepower at the same 2800 rpm as the Cummins makes it's Max horsepower.

FishOnOne wrote:
This video was enjoyed by this forum 5 months ago! :C

You didn't watch and hope for a different outcome did you?:B

FishOnOne wrote:
This video was enjoyed by this forum 5 months ago! :C

Does it still hurt? :B

Just wait til the 19's come out. ;)

LOL

This video was enjoyed by this forum 5 months ago! :C

RADROG wrote:
GM, Ford and FCA Certified SAE J1349 HP numbers would be
much more meaningful for anyone interested in a honest comparison.

FCA cannot certify the Cummins. Only the actual manufacturer can do that which is why Cummins has to use J1995 since they are not the chassis manufacturer. If FCA bought the Cummins engines and rebranded them under their own name like PACCAR does with the 6.7L Cummins and rebrands it as a PX-7 or the Cummins ISL 9L rebranded as the PX-9 then that would be a different story.

GM, Ford and FCA Certified SAE J1349 HP numbers would be
much more meaningful for anyone interested in a honest comparison.

I too, think there is something fishy about the dyno run. At the first time we saw the digital screen, it appears that they limited the RPM to 2800 for test purposes. I would hope that they would run the engine to the red line of each engine so that the entire horsepower figure could be measured. Until they give us all the information, we have nothing of value to be learned.