Tires again

Who had heard of Maxxis tires before attending this forum? I had not .
Why is it that Maxxis tires have " EARNED " a reputation for quality ? That reputation is reserved for the real premium brands such as Michelin, Continental , and Bridgestone .
Why is the burden of proof for other brands than Maxxis the responsibility of the Maxxis detractor poster? Maxxis is the third world brand newcomer . The burden of proof lies with Maxxis .
Why is Maxxis automatically given a pass by some posters ?
Why would someone disregard the several posts on this forum about Maxxis tire failures ?
Why would someone disregard the tire tests of Consumer Reports where no Maxxis passenger car tire has scored above the bottom 25 % ?
Just because no one has done an ST Tire test why is the information available about other tires LT and P not an indicator of company quality ?
Why is it that Maxxis detractors are lying liars ?

CKNSLS wrote:

JJBIRISH wrote:
First of all there are a few obvious Maxxis detractors that make sure to post to every trailer tire thread
They have never offered a reason for their dislike of Maxxis other than they weren’t their choice and that somehow diminishes the good results so many others have had with them…
They offer unavailable testing of totally different type of tires that were tested against tires in the high speed category for sports cars as proof… the results if these test have absolutely no bearing on the quality of trailer tires period or on any other type of LT tire... it is unrelated, un meaningful words used to muddy the waters in these discussions ONLY…

They mention 19 failures of Maxxis tires as proof of bad quality, but make no mention that many if not most or even if any of the failures mentioned those failures, were caused by age, road damage, or run with low air pressure… again it is just too muddy the water and to provide cover their unproven opinions…

One points to and recommends the new Carlisle as the greatest thing since the wheel… while I hope he is right they are new and have no track record to stand on at all… if they are so good, I have to wonder why Carlisle the tire company sold them out to another company before their track record began to look like it old track record did… so now with the new owners that clock has to start anew and his cross-country trips were made on the now old new Carlisle tire…

The person that made the comment,
“Are Maxxis are cheap Taiwanese******with a Chinese plant as opposed to cheap Chinese******straight up?”
only proves his lack of knowledge of geography and where the tire is made to begin with…
Maxxix8008 is made totally made by Maxxis in Thailand… the pass was earned by being the only trailer tire company to build the tire to a higher standard and not cave to the OEM industries pressure to build the cheapest tire possible, and why they are not often found on new trailers…
The true facts are they isn’t a single person here that can point to comparative testing on trailer tires because it has never been done…
There isn’t a single person here that knows the failure rate, or the rate for types of failures of trailer tires, and that includes people in the tire industry… these test haven’t been done and the normal method of keeping track of returned warrant tires for other tires types are flawed and wouldn’t work for ST tires…

Lacking testing an information from the industry all we really have to go by are others experience, and this is how Maxxis has earned a good and growing better reputation… anyone that says otherwise is reading different forums or only reading what they want to into their assessments…

And as I believe intentional misleading to bolster a false claim is equivalent to lying and yes there are some liars that continually post on this…

You have no idea what has caused the majority of Maxxis failures. Just like those who bash other brands of ST tires have no idea what caused those failures. In addition, Maxxis has such a limited distribution system, for whatever reasons-please elaborate on how they will grow their brand. If Maxxis is indeed building to a "higher standard" whatever that means, then maybe they should build tires like everyone else because they certainly are not proving to being more reliable than any other ST tires. A 3 inch nail will take out an ST tire regardless of how much it weighs....period.

There are plenty of half truths floating around this board...including statements in your own posts.

If I am posting half-truths, expose them…

Copying is the best form of flattery I guess… My Maxxis have been made with the cap plys for years and for Carlisle and a few others to now decide to include it must say something…
The thing is all of them have known the importance of the cap ply in radial tire construction since the 70s…

Carlisle no longer makes or builds Carlisle tires as of 2014… truth or not???

so it’s true that neither I or you know the cause of the failures mentioned, and without that, counting and mentioning the number of failures seems to be an attempt at making a statistic where one doesn’t exist… half-truth statistic???

Point me to a meaningful single test or data collection on quality information or failure rates dedicated to the ST trailer tire, they don’t exist even in the industry…

JJBIRISH wrote:
First of all there are a few obvious Maxxis detractors that make sure to post to every trailer tire thread
They have never offered a reason for their dislike of Maxxis other than they weren’t their choice and that somehow diminishes the good results so many others have had with them…
They offer unavailable testing of totally different type of tires that were tested against tires in the high speed category for sports cars as proof… the results if these test have absolutely no bearing on the quality of trailer tires period or on any other type of LT tire... it is unrelated, un meaningful words used to muddy the waters in these discussions ONLY…

They mention 19 failures of Maxxis tires as proof of bad quality, but make no mention that many if not most or even if any of the failures mentioned those failures, were caused by age, road damage, or run with low air pressure… again it is just too muddy the water and to provide cover their unproven opinions…

One points to and recommends the new Carlisle as the greatest thing since the wheel… while I hope he is right they are new and have no track record to stand on at all… if they are so good, I have to wonder why Carlisle the tire company sold them out to another company before their track record began to look like it old track record did… so now with the new owners that clock has to start anew and his cross-country trips were made on the now old new Carlisle tire…

The person that made the comment,
“Are Maxxis are cheap Taiwanese******with a Chinese plant as opposed to cheap Chinese******straight up?”
only proves his lack of knowledge of geography and where the tire is made to begin with…
Maxxix8008 is made totally made by Maxxis in Thailand… the pass was earned by being the only trailer tire company to build the tire to a higher standard and not cave to the OEM industries pressure to build the cheapest tire possible, and why they are not often found on new trailers…
The true facts are they isn’t a single person here that can point to comparative testing on trailer tires because it has never been done…
There isn’t a single person here that knows the failure rate, or the rate for types of failures of trailer tires, and that includes people in the tire industry… these test haven’t been done and the normal method of keeping track of returned warrant tires for other tires types are flawed and wouldn’t work for ST tires…

Lacking testing an information from the industry all we really have to go by are others experience, and this is how Maxxis has earned a good and growing better reputation… anyone that says otherwise is reading different forums or only reading what they want to into their assessments…

And as I believe intentional misleading to bolster a false claim is equivalent to lying and yes there are some liars that continually post on this…

You have no idea what has caused the majority of Maxxis failures. Just like those who bash other brands of ST tires have no idea what caused those failures. In addition, Maxxis has such a limited distribution system, for whatever reasons-please elaborate on how they will grow their brand. If Maxxis is indeed building to a "higher standard" whatever that means, then maybe they should build tires like everyone else because they certainly are not proving to being more reliable than any other ST tires. A 3 inch nail will take out an ST tire regardless of how much it weighs....period.

There are plenty of half truths floating around this board...including statements in your own posts.

First of all there are a few obvious Maxxis detractors that make sure to post to every trailer tire thread
They have never offered a reason for their dislike of Maxxis other than they weren’t their choice and that somehow diminishes the good results so many others have had with them…
They offer unavailable testing of totally different type of tires that were tested against tires in the high speed category for sports cars as proof… the results if these test have absolutely no bearing on the quality of trailer tires period or on any other type of LT tire... it is unrelated, un meaningful words used to muddy the waters in these discussions ONLY…

They mention 19 failures of Maxxis tires as proof of bad quality, but make no mention that many if not most or even if any of the failures mentioned those failures, were caused by age, road damage, or run with low air pressure… again it is just too muddy the water and to provide cover their unproven opinions…

One points to and recommends the new Carlisle as the greatest thing since the wheel… while I hope he is right they are new and have no track record to stand on at all… if they are so good, I have to wonder why Carlisle the tire company sold them out to another company before their track record began to look like it old track record did… so now with the new owners that clock has to start anew and his cross-country trips were made on the now old new Carlisle tire…

The person that made the comment,
“Are Maxxis are cheap Taiwanese******with a Chinese plant as opposed to cheap Chinese******straight up?”
only proves his lack of knowledge of geography and where the tire is made to begin with…
Maxxix8008 is made totally made by Maxxis in Thailand… the pass was earned by being the only trailer tire company to build the tire to a higher standard and not cave to the OEM industries pressure to build the cheapest tire possible, and why they are not often found on new trailers…
The true facts are they isn’t a single person here that can point to comparative testing on trailer tires because it has never been done…
There isn’t a single person here that knows the failure rate, or the rate for types of failures of trailer tires, and that includes people in the tire industry… these test haven’t been done and the normal method of keeping track of returned warrant tires for other tires types are flawed and wouldn’t work for ST tires…

Lacking testing an information from the industry all we really have to go by are others experience, and this is how Maxxis has earned a good and growing better reputation… anyone that says otherwise is reading different forums or only reading what they want to into their assessments…

And as I believe intentional misleading to bolster a false claim is equivalent to lying and yes there are some liars that continually post on this…

rsmith159 wrote:
Wow, lots of action on this subject, as usual. I guess I should acknowlege some of them. Yes, I realized they were bias ply tires. Maxxis Canada is just an address, all tires are shipped from the US with shipping costing more than the tires, plus duty, etc. Not practical. The fancy wheels were not an issue, I already have aluminum wheels, only asking about the tires. I can only get Marathon or Carlisle locally, $105 and $150 respectively. Oh the joys of having to buy in Canada. Thanks again folks.

Rick

Either of your choices is going to work for you. A load Range D tire is what I would suggest. Just make sure your rims are up to the task.
FWIW, I put four new on my rig, this fall. I chose the Carlisle Radial Trail RH. Got them in Load Range D which is more than enough for my 5000 lb., tandem axle trailer. I'm pretty well convinced that sudden tire failure is due, in most cases, to something other than the brand or quality of the tire.

:R

CKNSLS wrote:



Francesca,

I will take that as a compliment!:W

As intended, CK!

You are one of the more civil of the anti-Maxxis crowd... and you're willing to at least TRY to substantiate some of the stuff that's been floating around among them so long.

Francesca Knowles wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:



Maxxis gets a pass on this board.

Not as long as you're around, CK! :W

Francesca,

I will take that as a compliment!:W

CKNSLS wrote:



Maxxis gets a pass on this board.

Not as long as you're around, CK! :W

darsben wrote:
Are Maxxis are cheap Taiwanese******with a Chinese plant as opposed to cheap Chinese******straight up?

For some unknown reason...Maxxis gets a pass on this board. The tires are either made in Thailand or Taiwan. They do not have a better track record than any other ST tire-(the 19 failures on this forum verify that) than any other ST tires. Yet, again and again there is a small group here that continues to recommend them.

It makes no sense.