spoon059 wrote:APT wrote:spoon059 wrote:
Most Tundras have a payload of over 1500 lbs.
I disagree with that. Average double cab may have 1500 pounds per the Tire and Loading sticker. I've never seen a Crewmax with over 1500 pounds. 1200-1350 is the range I have rear, as equipped the way people buy them. Regular cabs make up about 10% of sales mix. No one buys the stripper/base model that each manufacturer lists on web sites and brochures. DC/CM split the rest. For about the same options/features, the Tundra is about 125 pounds lower than Ford/GM. Ram is a further 100 pounds lower.
Per my 2010 Specifications manual;
All regular cab models have minimum 1620 lbs payload up to 2015 lbs for the Reg cab 5.7 4x2. The Reg cab 5.7 4x4 drops to a dismal 1945 lbs payload... terrible "grocery getter" numbers...
The Limited doublecab with 4.6 engine has 1410 lbs, the base doublecab with V6 has 1450 lbs payload, the base doublecab 4.6 engine with long bed has 1340 lbs and everything else starts at 1515 lbs up to 1745 lbs payload capacity.
The Crewmax Limited 4.6 has 1340 lbs payload, up to a max of 1665 lbs payload capacity. 4 of the 8 Crewmax models have payload OVER 1500 lbs, 2 more are at 1450 lbs (close to 1500) and 1 is 1480 lbs (for all intents and purposes... 1500 lbs).
Again... we have no idea what model Tundra the OP has, what engine, what bed size, etc. Seeing as to how a Tundra can have a literal ton of payload, it is either ignorance or blatant stupidity that leads people to say that the Tundra cannot pull the referenced trailer.
The point of my post was that;
#1 We don't have enough info about the truck or the trailer to make an educated decision
#2 The Tundra is offered in plenty of options and has decent payload, similar to what the other manufacturers offer
#3 The Tundra is a good tow vehicle for trailers that fit the specifications of the truck.
Just like any other half ton, the Tundra isn't for everything, but its a quality vehicle with plenty of power and is better than the average RV.net user concedes. I get it, some people don't like imported (Japanese truck made in the USA) and prefer a domestic ("American" truck made in Mexico) because the profits (or whatever GM has since they sure haven't turned a profit in a while...) go to the Japanese CEO's after taxes rather than American CEO's after the same (if not lower) taxes. Some people are brand loyal and would buy a Ford even if it was radioactive and caused cancer in all babies. Some people will only buy Ram trucks even if they all raped nuns. I get it... truck buyers are loyal to a fault... That doesn't mean that the Tundra can't accomplish the same or similar task as must any other half tons...
APT wrote:spoon059 wrote:
Most Tundras have a payload of over 1500 lbs.
I disagree with that. Average double cab may have 1500 pounds per the Tire and Loading sticker. I've never seen a Crewmax with over 1500 pounds. 1200-1350 is the range I have rear, as equipped the way people buy them. Regular cabs make up about 10% of sales mix. No one buys the stripper/base model that each manufacturer lists on web sites and brochures. DC/CM split the rest. For about the same options/features, the Tundra is about 125 pounds lower than Ford/GM. Ram is a further 100 pounds lower.
Ric Flair wrote:
Saw the subject line "Toyota Tundra?".
Knew the answer without reading anymore.
The answer is always "No"
Just like the subject line "Do I need a Dually"
The answer is always "Yes"
:p
APT wrote:spoon059 wrote:
Most Tundras have a payload of over 1500 lbs.
I disagree with that. Average double cab may have 1500 pounds per the Tire and Loading sticker. I've never seen a Crewmax with over 1500 pounds. 1200-1350 is the range I have rear, as equipped the way people buy them. Regular cabs make up about 10% of sales mix. No one buys the stripper/base model that each manufacturer lists on web sites and brochures. DC/CM split the rest. For about the same options/features, the Tundra is about 125 pounds lower than Ford/GM. Ram is a further 100 pounds lower.
Tundra seems to handle very well at or over its payload/axle/GVWR ratings. And extra 100 pounds of any competitor is not likely to impact handling much. And as much as this forum (myself included) likes to speak of Ford's Max tow and HD payload packages, they are rare, like <2% of sales volume.
spoon059 wrote:
Most Tundras have a payload of over 1500 lbs.
spoon059 wrote:bmanning wrote:kmfvfr wrote:pappcam wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out the OP's assertion that a Tundra is a 3/4 ton truck.:h
BINGO...I already asked that. And I own a 2007 Tundra with the 5.7L....
Maybe they are being literal?
In the sense that...
1 ton = 2000lb
3/4 ton = 1500lb
1/2 ton = 1000lb
Without taking the time to do the research, certain configurations of the Tundra (like 2wd, non crew cab) might offer payloads in the 1500lb neighborhood.
Like I already posted, some versions of the Tundra have a payload over 2000 lbs... Most Tundras have a payload of over 1500 lbs. They aren't the dog that everyone claims they are...
spoon059 wrote:bmanning wrote:kmfvfr wrote:pappcam wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out the OP's assertion that a Tundra is a 3/4 ton truck.:h
BINGO...I already asked that. And I own a 2007 Tundra with the 5.7L....
Maybe they are being literal?
In the sense that...
1 ton = 2000lb
3/4 ton = 1500lb
1/2 ton = 1000lb
Without taking the time to do the research, certain configurations of the Tundra (like 2wd, non crew cab) might offer payloads in the 1500lb neighborhood.
Like I already posted, some versions of the Tundra have a payload over 2000 lbs... Most Tundras have a payload of over 1500 lbs. They aren't the dog that everyone claims they are...
bmanning wrote:kmfvfr wrote:pappcam wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out the OP's assertion that a Tundra is a 3/4 ton truck.:h
BINGO...I already asked that. And I own a 2007 Tundra with the 5.7L....
Maybe they are being literal?
In the sense that...
1 ton = 2000lb
3/4 ton = 1500lb
1/2 ton = 1000lb
Without taking the time to do the research, certain configurations of the Tundra (like 2wd, non crew cab) might offer payloads in the 1500lb neighborhood.
CKNSLS wrote:
snip...My comments in red and bolded below
I disagree-The bigger frame, the bigger motors, the heavier suspension-the ride quality to a half ton verses anything heavier there is no comparison.
Disagree, but that is your opinion vs mine
Also, which half ton are you referring to?
The 6.2K GVWR or all the way up to the 8.2K GVWR half ton?
I also disagree with your "longevity" point. My half ton will last as long as your 3/4 ton providing I use it within the parameters it was designed for.
Exactly my point on the forever 'over load' or not threads. Stay within
the OEM's ratings
My reference is to do with the OP's plans for going over and so many
do NOT understand that the published MTWR is not so for the vast
majority of TV's out there
Your Suburban has to ride what would be to me an unacceptable level with those 1 ton springs. While I respect your dad for his years of wisdom and longevity here on Earth, I disagree comparing anything approaching a 3/4 ton chassis and a Cadillac and saying ride quality is on par.
Again, you opinion and you are welcome to it...am just pointing out
(thought said that earlier...maybe another thread)
As I dislike the floatiness of most stock half tons
And lets face it-you had no business towing 14,000 pounds. You were over the towing limit and probably over payload as well. The additions to the suspension system you made on the half ton didn't allow you to go over your payload as stated by the manufacturer. And your right...it was totally unsafe.
On this we totally agree, but you miss my point...
I know from experience and lived to tell about it.
My C10 has a 6.2K GVWR and know there was over 3,000 of tools/etc in
the bed. Even more with the cast iron, steel hardware, etc parts, but
not a good guess as with the tools...so don't post a number for that.
Don't know the towing MTWR, but it is NOT +14K. So I was over
the RGAWR, GVWR, MTWR and of course GCWR by a wide margin.
Know that sickening feeling when the TV's brakes over heat...then
again when the trailer brakes over heat...to next to nothing and know
the trick of setting the Emergency/Parking brakes to provide more travel
for the rear TV shoe/drums...even then not enough.
So much for folks who say the trailer brakes stop the trailer...even
though I had rebuilt and super tuned the trailer brakes...as there
was still a shop who would reline shoes with whatever you provided
in the form of friction material...EPA finally killed them off..
Why I say going over won't instantly have the wheels fall off...but they
will sooner
Young, partner in small startup, borrowed dad's Chevy C10 (which I'd
upgraded to next higher class tires and installed 1 ton helper springs,
and a big ETC), engineering/designing lots of industrial controls
(big stuff...at that time had the controllers for the largest robots
in the world under my belt)...but...truly did not understand the OEM
ratings...even though I dealt with specifications all the years working
in technology up till then
I know what it in-tales when someone says 'it is okay to go over the
ratings', or that 'specifications are marketing driven'
