Toyota tundra?

Thank you everyone for all the great information. I have printed all your comments and have them in a folder. I know have all the information I need regarding towing vehicles. If I could beg for the other side of information that I need , I would appreciate it in order to put a great RR package together, so here goes!!!! TT or 5th WHEEL ! I hope this question doesn't make y'all crazy but please have patience! Remember its better to ask questions BEFORE a purchase! And that a new by needs lots of advice and is not stupid but just uninformed. I'll be on the road with you so this is important. Be kind!

TundraBay over there on Tundra Solutions has been towing about 11k fiver for many many years...

Said that he added air bags, LT tires, and a fifth wheel hitch.

He was highly active... then... just disappeared from that forum one day. Hasn't posted an "update" over there in a few years. Hate to think that something happened.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

Sweetgammy wrote:
I can't read enough of these comments! Everything is SO good! Keep the info flowing! I hate to give up on my idea of buying a Tubdra to tow a vehicle! Haven't decided on either the vehicle it the TT at this point! Still calculating to make the Tundra work! Thank you all!

As long as you understand and willing to take whatever the simple math
comes out to...

edit...forgot to mention first you have to decide
if you believe in the ratings or not

If not, then do whatever and note that if there is any warranty left
the dealer 'might' deny it if they find you over loaded

If yes, then learn how the system works. The diagram below is who
the whole ratings system looks like in graphical format.

Find the specifications for the Tundra you want. You will need either
the VIN to ask the dealer to look up, or these:

• GVWR
• FGAWR
• RGAWR
• GCWR
• MTWR
• Curb
• After market tire/wheels...need the rev's per mile vs stock rev's per mile
• Diff ratio
• Actual weight this has a * and explain down a bit

Then make sure it is not suspension lifted, or other modifications
that reduces the ratings

If you don't want to weigh it, or don't have it yet...use the maximum
ratings as if they (TV & Trailer) are both at maximum conditions

GCWR will be tough to find, as it is not popular and many say not
important, but to me very...here is why and hope you see what that
'rating' matters

Then using the actual weight of the Tundra, or use it's GVWR as that
is the most it is rated for. That should include the tongue/PIN
and hitch system weight

Posted before, but here is the diagram showing the relationships and
for you to plug in the weights to figure how much your true max trailer
weight is for 'that' Tundra you have the GCWR for

howmuchcanitow

spoon059 wrote:

Per my 2010 Specifications manual;

What good is your specification manual? It does not list payloads as equipped on dealer lots or what people buy. It only lists the payloads per trim level, no options. Take a poll next time you visit a Toyota dealer. Open all the driver's doors and locate this sticker. Document what they have for "The combined wight of occupants and cargo shall not exceed xxxx pounds".

All regular cab models have minimum 1620 lbs payload up to 2015 lbs for the Reg cab 5.7 4x2. The Reg cab 5.7 4x4 drops to a dismal 1945 lbs payload... terrible "grocery getter" numbers...

All regular cabs? All regular cabs with no options per trim level maybe. And as I mentioned, regular cabs account for about 10% of full size truck sales, about half of those to fleets and small businesses.

The Limited doublecab with 4.6 engine has 1410 lbs, the base doublecab with V6 has 1450 lbs payload, the base doublecab 4.6 engine with long bed has 1340 lbs and everything else starts at 1515 lbs up to 1745 lbs payload capacity.

Again... we have no idea what model Tundra the OP has, what engine, what bed size, etc.

#3 The Tundra is a good tow vehicle for trailers that fit the specifications of the truck.

I agree.

#2 The Tundra is offered in...payload...similar to what the other manufacturers offer.

I disagree. Ford/GM are higher, again as equipped what people buy. Ram is lower.


All manufactures list payloads in the same way, max payload per bed/cab, maybe even trim level. But you are discussing theoretical payloads and I know what I have seen on actual trucks people buy.

Check the payload on the Ram in this test[/ur], about 800 pounds!

I can't read enough of these comments! Everything is SO good! Keep the info flowing! I hate to give up on my idea of buying a Tubdra to tow a vehicle! Haven't decided on either the vehicle it the TT at this point! Still calculating to make the Tundra work! Thank you all!

I believe I also showed how it "COULD BE' labeled a 3/4 or class 2 truck also. Granted a light duty class 2 or 3/4 ton, but one none the less. I believe "MOST" of use would call it a ld3/4 or a hd 1/2 ton. Still a good truck for what it is, no matter how one slices the cake!

BUT, to compare a Tundra to Bens 2500 burb, or my C2500, or other 8 lug trucks.....no, it is NOT in that class 2 or 3/4 ton territory!

Marty

BenK wrote:
Maybe, but most likely these Tundra owners won't believe, try doing some simple
math without having to actually weigh your Tundra (or what ever 'half ton'
you wish to use...maybe the fake half ton will look more like my 17 year old
3/4 ton)........

Ok, nobody in this thread is trying to say that the Tundra is equivalent to a 250/2500 series truck. One person commented that its a "3/4 ton" because the payload is over three quarters of a ton. The payload designation is how trucks used to be known. Nobody in this thread made any type of representation that the Tundra has the frame, suspension, brakes, rear axle, wheel studs, bearings, etc etc on par with a true 3/4 ton vehicle. We all realize that a true 3/4 ton truck (250/2500) is substantially beefier than the Tundra.

That is NOT the question here. Stay on topic on this thread please. I'm sure their will be an idiot along soon enough that claims his Tacoma pulls his fifth wheel better than your diesel dually. Save your yellow sticker pictures for him.

OP still hasn't responded with any of the requested info from multiple people. Kinda makes me wonder whats going on there. At the end of the day, I think that with the right engine/drivetrain/body style/trim level that a Tundra can safely and comfortably tow that trailer. The Tundra and trailer would have to be loaded in an intelligent manner and be equipped correctly. I enjoy my Tundra, it tows very well if used correctly and within specs.

Oh yea...while on that, regular 1 ton's RGAWR is +7,000 pounds

The diff rating is one of the key, but only 'ONE' of the key ratings that help
define GVWR or class of truck it is

Hey, anyone know what a semi's diff rating is? Betcha many times my 3/4 ton's... ;)

Maybe, but most likely these Tundra owners won't believe, try doing some simple
math without having to actually weigh your Tundra (or what ever 'half ton'
you wish to use...maybe the fake half ton will look more like my 17 year old
3/4 ton)


Take your own drivers door label and post back these ratings:

FGAWR
RGAWR
GVWR

Forget about MTWR and GCWR for a moment

Here are my 1996 Suburban's

4,250 FGAWR
6,000 RGAWR
8,600 GVWR


How does your 3/4 ton Tundra match up?

There was a guy who owns a Tundra who constantly said as good as a 3/4 ton
and even bragged that his diff was as stout because his ring gear
dia was close in dia to a 3/4 ton's....then a short while back he
came back and still bragged about how much his Tundra's diff was as
good, but admitted that he did have to replace the ring gear because
it wore out.

Still bragging because it was simple and a normal wear and tear item...

I'd like to hear back from that guy with his Tundra's RGAWR

Not just Tundra folks, but most any half ton herd folks. Now if they have the
fake half ton with +8K GVWR, then they are 'almost' fully a 3/4 ton, by today's
3/4 ton standards

spoon059 wrote:

APT wrote:

spoon059 wrote:
Most Tundras have a payload of over 1500 lbs.

I disagree with that. Average double cab may have 1500 pounds per the Tire and Loading sticker. I've never seen a Crewmax with over 1500 pounds. 1200-1350 is the range I have rear, as equipped the way people buy them. Regular cabs make up about 10% of sales mix. No one buys the stripper/base model that each manufacturer lists on web sites and brochures. DC/CM split the rest. For about the same options/features, the Tundra is about 125 pounds lower than Ford/GM. Ram is a further 100 pounds lower.

Per my 2010 Specifications manual;
All regular cab models have minimum 1620 lbs payload up to 2015 lbs for the Reg cab 5.7 4x2. The Reg cab 5.7 4x4 drops to a dismal 1945 lbs payload... terrible "grocery getter" numbers...

The Limited doublecab with 4.6 engine has 1410 lbs, the base doublecab with V6 has 1450 lbs payload, the base doublecab 4.6 engine with long bed has 1340 lbs and everything else starts at 1515 lbs up to 1745 lbs payload capacity.

The Crewmax Limited 4.6 has 1340 lbs payload, up to a max of 1665 lbs payload capacity. 4 of the 8 Crewmax models have payload OVER 1500 lbs, 2 more are at 1450 lbs (close to 1500) and 1 is 1480 lbs (for all intents and purposes... 1500 lbs).

Again... we have no idea what model Tundra the OP has, what engine, what bed size, etc. Seeing as to how a Tundra can have a literal ton of payload, it is either ignorance or blatant stupidity that leads people to say that the Tundra cannot pull the referenced trailer.

The point of my post was that;
#1 We don't have enough info about the truck or the trailer to make an educated decision
#2 The Tundra is offered in plenty of options and has decent payload, similar to what the other manufacturers offer
#3 The Tundra is a good tow vehicle for trailers that fit the specifications of the truck.

Just like any other half ton, the Tundra isn't for everything, but its a quality vehicle with plenty of power and is better than the average RV.net user concedes. I get it, some people don't like imported (Japanese truck made in the USA) and prefer a domestic ("American" truck made in Mexico) because the profits (or whatever GM has since they sure haven't turned a profit in a while...) go to the Japanese CEO's after taxes rather than American CEO's after the same (if not lower) taxes. Some people are brand loyal and would buy a Ford even if it was radioactive and caused cancer in all babies. Some people will only buy Ram trucks even if they all raped nuns. I get it... truck buyers are loyal to a fault... That doesn't mean that the Tundra can't accomplish the same or similar task as must any other half tons...

Sir,
You are too funny. :)
You are also correct.
Very well written.

Bill