mich800 wrote:RinconVTR wrote:
High volume is suppose to equal lower price. Yet this simple law of economics has no place in the truck and SUV business apparently! In this category, high volume = higher prices.
Pick-up trucks in particular are a hot trend over the last few years that shows no sign of declining and prices continue to increase significantly.
OEM's are raking in the cash on these high margin sales...make no mistake about it.
And there is no stopping the trend...until fuel hits $4-5 per gallon.
You are confusing supply with demand. High demand yields higher prices. High supply without demand will yield lower prices.
Grit dog wrote:
Haha, yeah I forgot about all that other c rap too. Give me a 60 gal fuel tank and a set of Toyo MTs in exchange for the dpf, stability control and parking sensors and I might call it even though!
transamz9 wrote:
I still don't understand the fuel mileage comments. The more power one uses the more fuel it uses. I would be willing to bet that we could take your truck and a new truck and load them exactly the same and have the new truck follow you on a run and the new truck would get better mileage. You would have to lead because the new truck would be constantly trying to slow down on the hills so as to not run off and leave you. It's much easier to follow a slower rig if you are trying to run together.
SidecarFlip wrote:4x4ord wrote:
The cost of vehicles has not been keeping up with inflation. It is much easier to buy a new 75k truck now than it was to dish out 30k for a new diesel crew cab 4x4 in '93. On top of that you get a much more capable truck now than what was being built in 93.
What you actually get is a much more complex vehicle with more stuff to fail down the road, less fuel mileage (diesel) and lowest cost components.
My 97 is stone simple and I can do all the repairs in the driveway that need to be done. When that new truck is out of warranty, be prepared for a wallet emptying experience.
4x4ord wrote:
The cost of vehicles has not been keeping up with inflation. It is much easier to buy a new 75k truck now than it was to dish out 30k for a new diesel crew cab 4x4 in '93. On top of that you get a much more capable truck now than what was being built in 93.
4x4ord wrote:SidecarFlip wrote:
We just had some work done on the rental and the contractor was sporting a new 350 King Raunch long bed 4x4 4 door. I told him... nice truck. I asked him about the price and his reply was... it's a business expense, 2 years and it's gone...
I'm a farmer myself but I'd rather put my money into farm equipment or land and they are both business expenses / write off's too.
You can expense your equipment's depeciation which is exactly what the contractor is doing. Land on the other hand, does not generally depreciate and is therefore not expensed.
SidecarFlip wrote:
We just had some work done on the rental and the contractor was sporting a new 350 King Raunch long bed 4x4 4 door. I told him... nice truck. I asked him about the price and his reply was... it's a business expense, 2 years and it's gone...
I'm a farmer myself but I'd rather put my money into farm equipment or land and they are both business expenses / write off's too.
ShinerBock wrote:Grit dog wrote:
How much should a new truck cost in your world? And what kind of truck should it be for however much you think it's worth?
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that they are expensive, but relatively speaking they were just as expensive in the past.
And you get more than you used to. Just use 10 years as an example.
Sticker on my 07 was around $50k. A comparable Mega today stickers for about $64k
To get mine to perform like a new one, asthetics and noise aside I have or wood have to add:
Exhaust brake $2k installed
Tune/programmer:$500
Bluetooth touch stereo backup cam and all that goes with it. :$1000 min
Other interior niceties not on the 07 :$1-2k
Better brakes: $1000min
All the fix it parts to get rest of the drivetrain comparable : Another couple thousand.
Point being, factor in all that and inflation and the cost in today's dollar is getting real close. The good economy pushes the rest of the demanded price.
Yeah, and you also have all of the government mandated stuff that has been required since then. Like electronic stability control that was mandated on all 2012 and up vehicles or all the added air bags for new safety requirements. Then then there is the increased use of costly high strength steel on the a-pillars due to rollover regulations requiring a vehicle to hold its own weight. The stability control alone requires all sorts of sensors and valves to operate on top of some sort of yaw control module.
....and this is not even including the cost of the government mandated emission controls on diesels since then.
