UVW on the yellow sticker

Clockman wrote:
The Answer is NO!

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The answer to what? The answer to the OP's question is "yes". The UVW weight on the yellow sticker does include tongue weight, as well as propane.

The Answer is NO!

hohenwald48 wrote:

Lantley wrote:
TW and UVW are to different things. However UVW includes the TW of the unit as it left the factory.
Keep in mind the unit generally does not have full LP tanks or a battery at that point so the TW reflected in the UVW figure is not ready to camp accurate.

Federal regulations require that the weight of full propane be included in UVW. Are you saying that the manufacturers don't do that?

not completely accurate. fed regulations state that full weight of propane must be used when determining available CCC. On my trailer if you take GVWR-UVW > CCC by the 60 lbs of two full propane tanks.

and prior to around 2009 I don't know if there was a "standard" method for the yellow sticker. After around 2009 it was/is required to state the empty weight at it left the production line. then
dealers are legally required to update the sticker if anything they add increases the weight by more than a certain % or lbs.

When we got our 2010 outback I drove it empty to the scales and weighed it. the scales read in 50lb increments and my empty weight was within 25lbs of the yellow sticker.

When we looked at the trailers, there were 3 identical trailers to choose from, different interior colors being the only difference. All three had different empty weights, varying about 25 lbs in total between the three. So outback was probably weighing each trailer as it left the assy line and printing a sticker.

hohenwald48 wrote:
I don't think the yellow sticker on the door became a requirement until around 2012 so older units will not have them. Older units do have some weight information posted in various places. However, the yellow sticker is supposed to be the actual weight of the unit as manufactured. The unit is supposed to be actually weighed as it leaves the factory and that weight is affixed to the door on the yellow sticker.

It is not the same as brochure weight and is not the same as the old weight rating sheets you used to find inside a cabinet. Those weights were average and not actual.

The law was 2009 all manufacturers were supposed to comply but some were slow. Any trailer 2010 or newer should have had the sticker.

I don't think the yellow sticker on the door became a requirement until around 2012 so older units will not have them. Older units do have some weight information posted in various places. However, the yellow sticker is supposed to be the actual weight of the unit as manufactured. The unit is supposed to be actually weighed as it leaves the factory and that weight is affixed to the door on the yellow sticker.

It is not the same as brochure weight and is not the same as the old weight rating sheets you used to find inside a cabinet. Those weights were average and not actual.

My old trailer was labeled almost exactly like Larry's except that the sticker on the cabinet door had an additional line with the factory weight written in by hand. The PuP I had before that trailer also didn't have the actual leaving-the-factory weight, just a DOT loading sticker similar to the one above. My new trailer is the first I've had that included an official sticker with the factory weight.

Mike Up wrote:

12thgenusa wrote:

Nope, at least not universally. My 2009 didn't have a yellow sticker nor a capacities tag on a cabinet door. It only has the GVWR and tire loading sticker on the left front outside corner.

You don't need a UVW sticker then. The tire loading sticker has the payload of the trailer on it. Subtract that payload from the GVWR and you have your UVW.

I've seen plenty of new and used trailers dating back to 2004 and have never seen a camper that didn't have the tire tread act sticker (tire loading with payload) and the sticker with the actual weight of the camper.

Not disputing that yours did not come with it, but I feel it may had not come with it in error or a mistake at the factory. Either way you had a documented factory UVW rating as I said with substracting the payload from the GVWR.

Below is the tire loading DOT sticker that is on the outside front passenger side of my 2007 trailer with a sticker date of 6/2006 and it clearly DOES NOT show any payload so now you can't say you've never seen one w/o the payload on it.



My trailer also did not come with the newer yellow sticker, but had the loading sheet on the inside kitchen cabinet door ... see below ...



Of interest is the sheet inside the cabinet door doesn't have the actual wt. of the trailer as it left the factory, but in the comments at the end say "The UVW and the CCC have been determined by weighing an exemplar trailer with some but not all optional equipkment available for each model year, make and model of trailer. The result of the weighing of the exemplar trailer is then used in calculating the UVW and CCC of other trailers of the same model year, make and model. Your actual UVW and CCC may vary based on options ordered. Please contact the manufacturer for the actual weight of each option."

This sheet evidently followed some guidance from the RVIA at the time since in the very bottom right corner are the initials "r_rvia_weight_label_tow"

Larry

12thgenusa wrote:

Nope, at least not universally. My 2009 didn't have a yellow sticker nor a capacities tag on a cabinet door. It only has the GVWR and tire loading sticker on the left front outside corner.

You don't need a UVW sticker then. The tire loading sticker has the payload of the trailer on it. Subtract that payload from the GVWR and you have your UVW.

I've seen plenty of new and used trailers dating back to 2004 and have never seen a camper that didn't have the tire tread act sticker (tire loading with payload) and the sticker with the actual weight of the camper.

Not disputing that yours did not come with it, but I feel it may had not come with it in error or a mistake at the factory. Either way you had a documented factory UVW rating as I said with substracting the payload from the GVWR.

Mike Up wrote:

atreis wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:
Yellow Stickers are fairly new........2010???

Sounds right. My old trailer (2009 model year, bought in '08) didn't have one, but did have the actual leaving-the-factory weight hand-written on a sticker in one of the cabinet doors. The yellow stickers are nicer though - on the outside, and you know what's included (e.g. full propane) because it's in the regulations.

That said, I agree that the only way to really know what your trailer weighed after loading is to take it to a scale.

No they've been out for a long time. I had one on my 2005 Rockwood Pop Up, had one on my 2007 Starcraft pop up, and had one on my 2008 Jayco Jay Flight travel trailer. Obviously have one on my 2012 Jay Flight. They've been around since the early 2000's.

Nope, at least not universally. My 2009 didn't have a yellow sticker nor a capacities tag on a cabinet door. It only has the GVWR and tire loading sticker on the left front outside corner.
However I weighed the trailer on the way home from the dealer and with full propane tanks, a second dealer installed battery, and all "required" options, it weighed almost exactly the brochure weight. Slightly less in fact.

Brochure empty weight: 6745
Brochure hitch weight: 1090

As weighed: 6720
Hitch weight: 1160

atreis wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:
Yellow Stickers are fairly new........2010???

Sounds right. My old trailer (2009 model year, bought in '08) didn't have one, but did have the actual leaving-the-factory weight hand-written on a sticker in one of the cabinet doors. The yellow stickers are nicer though - on the outside, and you know what's included (e.g. full propane) because it's in the regulations.

That said, I agree that the only way to really know what your trailer weighed after loading is to take it to a scale.

No they've been out for a long time. I had one on my 2005 Rockwood Pop Up, had one on my 2007 Starcraft pop up, and had one on my 2008 Jayco Jay Flight travel trailer. Obviously have one on my 2012 Jay Flight. They've been around since the early 2000's.