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Cleaning DP rear radiator.

et2
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Please don't start any should bought one with a side radiator posts as it wouldn't serve any purpose on this thread.

So, I attempted to do mine today. That main cooling radiator behind the fan is virtually impossible to get at on our coach without removing the fan and shroud. Which if done, it wouldn't be by me. No way to effectively get simple green in there, much less water to rinse it out. I had a sprayer for the simple green with a long wand, but it wouldn't have done any good.

I did do the rear (CAC) I guess they call it, from the rear. Nothing came through to the main at all. Man did the bubbles ever come out after starting, I shut off and rinsed 4 times before that stopped. I couldn't help thinking what it would look like behind me driving in the rain if not all rinsed out. Bubbles were 2 feet deep.

So who has had theirs professionally done? I'm assuming they remove both and do a good cleaning? How often do you do this, and what was the cost?

I could see the main looked fairly dirty even with 5000 miles on it.
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et2
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Well I took another look. The engine access from the bedroom to the engine area allows zero path to the CAC. There is no other way other than removing the shroud. Thanks for all the advice. I'll have it professionally clean within the year.

wolfe10
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No question, some coach makers do a TERRIBLE job of providing access to mechanical systems.


But, unless the buyer puts such access higher on their "must have" list, builders will not put it higher on their list either.

On edit: That brace between the forward and rear access area is exactly where you need to be to be able to clean the front of the CAC! Don't know how structural it is and if an option may be to cut it out at each side and use 1/4" steel plates on either end to reattach it. That would easily carry the weight of the floor and a person, but would not be a good option of there are other structural functions of that "mid-panel".
Brett Wolfe
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FIRE_UP
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The CAC should be accessible by you.


This all depends on each individual build of the coach. Some setups will provide more visible access to those items. Some, like mine, is pretty much impossible unless one modifies the fan shroud. And, even doing that, you have to lay on your gut on boards that are spread between supported components. I have two access panels on mine, a large one that's about 40" x 40" or so and, one that's farther back towards the rear that's about 18" x 40" or so. But, neither one provide "EASY" access to either the front face of the CAC or, any portion of the radiator that isn't covered by the CAC.

In the picture below, yes, the "top" of the motor is exposed but, unless I cut a hole in the top of the shroud, which quite a few have done, there is pretty much ZERO access to the important sides of either the CAC or the radiator. And, even with a hole cut, I'd be extremely limited to be able to effectively clean the entire square inch surface of at least the CAC. One of these days I'll cut that hole.
Scott

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wolfe10
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Correct, air flows through the CAC first (which is in front of the radiator) then through the radiator and then exits out the back.

You have to clean it front the front, since there is where the vast majority fo the dirt will be deposited.

Simple Green Extreme should be used-- developed for degreasing aluminum aircraft. It will not harm the aluminum CAC.
Brett Wolfe
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Ex: 1997 Safari 35'
Ex: 1993 Foretravel U240

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Triker33
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The CAC should be accessible by you.
There should be a way to the top of the engine from the bedroom. There is on most DP.

I have been able to clean mine several times. It is possible to get spray past the fan fins onto most of the CAC. Use a strong flashlight to see where all the dirty areas are. Spray the CAC good and let set for a while. Then with water hose running, spray inside the shroud while the engine is running to wash the soap out.

I have even used a portable steam cleaner on parts of the CAC.
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et2
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FIRE UP wrote:
et2,
Based on your statements of the "Main" radiator, "behind the fan" is to me, a bit off some. You don't say what kind/make/model coach you have but, normally, the unit directly facing the fan is the CAC or, Charge Air Cooler for the compressed air that get's warmed up as it's compressed by the turbo.

Then, what you see when looking at the back of the coach IS, the ONLY radiator, not the "main" radiator. I'm not chastising you here, just helping you with some terminology, sort of. You are correct in the fact that many, many coaches are pretty much IMPOSSIBLE to actually do an efficient and accurate job of cleaning both the radiator and the CAC without removal.

Yes, there will be some that say they can do it and, it's as good as removing the two units. Well, to those, I commend them. I too cannot almost even see the fan-side-face of the CAC and certainly the that same side of the radiator.

About 4 years ago, I pulled both of them at home. Not necessarily a fun job but, very informational. Based on the fact that the previous owner had the incorrect amount of oil in the engine which, contributed THROUGH an incorrectly placed slobber tube, to a very, very dirty CAC and radiator that, there was only one way to get both clean, REMOVE THEM!

As stated, pulling both of them is not a fun job. Semi-goofing around, it took me about 6 hours to pull both. Now, knowing what I know now, I'd say it could take me as little as about 3 and both would be out. But, since I now run the correct amount of oil in the engine and, the slobber tube has been extended all the way to the back end of the coach, I don't have to worry about it nearly as much.

I have an inspection camera, one of those that has a 3' lens, and I probe it way inside the fan shroud and can take an annual inspection with that camera and see if there's any buildup from regular road debris/dust/etc. So far, in the almost 4 years of running and about 25,000 miles, they're both very clean.
Scott


The radiator behind the fan is the CAC? Then did have it wrong ( if this is the case). The one at the back ( standing facing the rear grill) of the coach is the "main" engine cooling radiator? Ok then I probably cleaned that fairly well. But the CAC is not accessible by me. I'll have the Cummins people give me an idea on cleaning costs.

The air coming out the back when the engine was started seemed strong. I'm certainly not a mechanic, however I'll try to keep up any and all preventive maintenance if possible. I just don' t have the place, time, or a bunch of tools to tackle things like this. I commend those who can go the extra mile fixing things.

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et2,
Based on your statements of the "Main" radiator, "behind the fan" is to me, a bit off some. You don't say what kind/make/model coach you have but, normally, the unit directly facing the fan is the CAC or, Charge Air Cooler for the compressed air that get's warmed up as it's compressed by the turbo.

Then, what you see when looking at the back of the coach IS, the ONLY radiator, not the "main" radiator. I'm not chastising you here, just helping you with some terminology, sort of. You are correct in the fact that many, many coaches are pretty much IMPOSSIBLE to actually do an efficient and accurate job of cleaning both the radiator and the CAC without removal.

Yes, there will be some that say they can do it and, it's as good as removing the two units. Well, to those, I commend them. I too cannot almost even see the fan-side-face of the CAC and certainly the that same side of the radiator.

About 4 years ago, I pulled both of them at home. Not necessarily a fun job but, very informational. Based on the fact that the previous owner had the incorrect amount of oil in the engine which, contributed THROUGH an incorrectly placed slobber tube, to a very, very dirty CAC and radiator that, there was only one way to get both clean, REMOVE THEM!

As stated, pulling both of them is not a fun job. Semi-goofing around, it took me about 6 hours to pull both. Now, knowing what I know now, I'd say it could take me as little as about 3 and both would be out. But, since I now run the correct amount of oil in the engine and, the slobber tube has been extended all the way to the back end of the coach, I don't have to worry about it nearly as much.

I have an inspection camera, one of those that has a 3' lens, and I probe it way inside the fan shroud and can take an annual inspection with that camera and see if there's any buildup from regular road debris/dust/etc. So far, in the almost 4 years of running and about 25,000 miles, they're both very clean.
Scott
Scott and Karla
SDFD RETIRED
2004 Itasca Horizon, 36GD Slate Blue 330 CAT
2011 GMC Sierra 1500 Ext Cab 4x4 Toad
2008 Caliente Red LVL II GL 1800 Goldwing
KI60ND

jplante4
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You can have the rad and CAC removed to be cleaned, but this is only done when a normal cleaning is not effective. This job is full of "mysels". (As long as the rad is off, we mysel flush the cooling system, as long as the CAC is off we mysel replace all the input piping clamps etc.)

Normally, you squirt down that CAC and the radiator with aluminum safe Simple Green (the purple stuff), let it sit and spray it with water good from the front and back. Some installations allow you to remove the baffle between the CAC and the rad so you can get down between the two with the Simple Green and the hose.

Here's a recent thread about the fan hub bearing that also mentions cleaning the rad.

I had the RV shop that does my heavy work clean it and they did not remove the rad or the CAC.

Thread

Oh and side radiators are not immune from getting dirty. They're just a little easier to clean. For that you usually give up a basement compartment.
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