CARB Inspections in CA

BubbaChris wrote:

kofire wrote:
I just want to clarify the fuel can issue in Ca. The old style jugs are still sold everywhere. They are just not sold as fuel cans. There is currently no enforcement on owning , possessing or using them anywhere as a fuel can. The blm has made it very clear and even documented it that they do not enforce that issue. It is 100% internet rumor with not one confirmed ticket documented.
To the OP please do not worry about DOT or CHP or anybody hassling you about a cat convertor. If it's not bellowing smoke they are not going to care.
Here is one documented example of what is real or rumor
http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/elcentro/recreation/ohvs/isdra/dunesinfo/lawenforcement/qanda.html
http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/advs/advs342.pdf

The FAQ is for one specific OHV area, and the ARB doc is now 10 years old (and aimed specifically at labeling, not spill/vapor control).

Your points may still be valid and true, but the supporting documents are not especially strong. Thanks for adding to the discussion.

Here is some new stuff for you. http://www.arb.ca.gov/consprod/fuel-containers/pfc/pfc.htm
Again there is no law that exists that regulates USAGE. Yes they could get you for improper storage or transport but not usage. The laws only apply to the SALE of cans in California. Once that happened all the shops freaked out and told everyone they were illegal. Yes they're illegal to sale but not to use.

kofire wrote:
I just want to clarify the fuel can issue in Ca. The old style jugs are still sold everywhere. They are just not sold as fuel cans. There is currently no enforcement on owning , possessing or using them anywhere as a fuel can. The blm has made it very clear and even documented it that they do not enforce that issue. It is 100% internet rumor with not one confirmed ticket documented.
To the OP please do not worry about DOT or CHP or anybody hassling you about a cat convertor. If it's not bellowing smoke they are not going to care.
Here is one documented example of what is real or rumor
http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/elcentro/recreation/ohvs/isdra/dunesinfo/lawenforcement/qanda.html
http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/advs/advs342.pdf

The FAQ is for one specific OHV area, and the ARB doc is now 10 years old (and aimed specifically at labeling, not spill/vapor control).

Your points may still be valid and true, but the supporting documents are not especially strong. Thanks for adding to the discussion.

I just want to clarify the fuel can issue in Ca. The old style jugs are still sold everywhere. They are just not sold as fuel cans. There is currently no enforcement on owning , possessing or using them anywhere as a fuel can. The blm has made it very clear and even documented it that they do not enforce that issue. It is 100% internet rumor with not one confirmed ticket documented.
To the OP please do not worry about DOT or CHP or anybody hassling you about a cat convertor. If it's not bellowing smoke they are not going to care.
Here is one documented example of what is real or rumor
http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/elcentro/recreation/ohvs/isdra/dunesinfo/lawenforcement/qanda.html
http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/advs/advs342.pdf

momentum rv wrote:
Possessing non-compliant fuel cans is not a crime. Retailers are not allowed to sell them. If someone actually got a "ticket" for having one then someone has overstepped their authority.

So - were retailers "threatened" with a fine - which resulted in
compliance (no more old style) nationwide?

BTW - the fuel can regs are EPA (no just CA).
Yes they originated with CARB - as many EPA regs do.
Try to buy a new non-CARB and EPA certified generator...:(

And - any LEO (incl rangers) may cite someone (an individual) - for whatever.
He or she may not care whether it is a good or a bad cite....the
recipient can explain the "correctness" (or lack thereof) to the judge.

Your dime, your time...:W


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coolbreeze01 wrote:
I modified all my new containers to old school. They work really well now.

I do the same every time I buy a new can. If you really want to read the fine print somewhere it may be illegal. I do not care. The newer cans do not pour right and I end up spilling some all over. That is a bigger environmental impact than a few gas molecules escaping.

When the gas can swat team shows up at my door with guns drawn I may be in trouble. Until then, I modify my cans.

momentum rv wrote:
Possessing non-compliant fuel cans is not a crime. Retailers are not allowed to sell them. If someone actually got a "ticket" for having one then someone has overstepped their authority.

Finally, some sanity in this thread! :B

D.E.Bishop wrote:
Thank you Chris Bryant and BubbaChris, we who live here are enjoying cleaner air because of our regulations. Some seem stupid even to me but eventually all states will have regulations like California.

If those California regulations come with the California DMV nasty attitudes, I hope they DON'T come to every state.

I was stationed in California back in the eighties. I had numerous run ins with the local constabulary who told me I HAD to have a California drivers license, California registration, and California insurance. I was exempt from all of those requirements due to my status as an airman assigned to a southern California Air Force base. It seems the local law enforcement did not agree, I had to get the base judge advocate general (the commander's legal staff) involved. The DMV would give a different answer to the question every time, and usually with a snotty attitude, like I was a distraction from their work instead of the purpose of their work.

In Tennessee, there is emissions testing in several counties, but nowhere near the goat rope that a person will experience in the Golden State.

Possessing non-compliant fuel cans is not a crime. Retailers are not allowed to sell them. If someone actually got a "ticket" for having one then someone has overstepped their authority.

Until I get some real NATO cans, I have found a way around the spout issue... I leave the spout facing inwards in the cap (so it is available if needed). When emptying the can, I remove the cap completely, and use a siphon pump (the type that you squeeze a bulb to prime) to get the fuel into the tank. Saves the back, especially with the five gallon containers and 100 degree temperatures.

BubbaChris wrote:

leeper wrote:

BubbaChris wrote:
The air in California is better than it was decades ago because of all the regulation.

Not 100% on topic, but I have heard of visitors getting cited/fined for having non CARB gasoline containers for their gennys and off road toys.

My relatives still living in CA thank you in advance for your compliance.

I live in California and have never heard of any body getting cited for a gasoline container. NO ONE cares about weather you have a new style gas can or an old one. By the way, gas cans are made the same in all states.

Just because you haven't heard of it, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I was studying up on the best style to buy/use when I bought my genny. The reviews for some models were from people who went to CA with OHV toys and were cited for their old-style cans and have now purchased spill-proof containers to be in compliance.

Most -if not all- CA OHV areas are State facilities.
Same folks (Mr. Ranger) that checks for legal exhaust *may* check fuel cans.

Good reason to have *one* cheapie plastic can for "show & tell" - and any "old style" others out of sight.

Disclaimer: Of course I would *never* do that!..:W

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