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Aug 20, 2014

One trip, 6 weeks, many issues...

We have been fortunate that in the 10 years we've owned a RV we've never really had any big problems while camping. This last trip didn't really have any big issues, just many little ones.

We camped at 1 campground for 6 weeks. We encountered the first problem when we got there. The drain in the shower started leaking. What a hassle. Even though Jayco put a nice little access panel to get to the drain, a hot air duct from the furnace runs between that access hole and the drain. I had to pull all the wood back from under the tub to pull back the duct and get it out of the way. In an effort to fix it, I just made it worse. I had to call a mobile RV repairman to bail me out.

In the process of trying to repair the drain, I discovered that Jayco never covered a hole in the floor, under the shower tub, to allow some wires to come into the coach from underneath. The hole is about 6" x 5" and I can see clear to the ground. A massive hole for a 1" bunch of wires. Good thing there are no mice or other critters at our storage facility or any campground we've ever camped at in the 5 years we've owned the camper.

The issue with the drain was that Jayco only left about an 1/8" between the floor and the bottom of the trap for the shower tub to flex. After 5 years of hitting the floor while flexing, the drain putty final gave up the fight. The mobile repair guy shortened the trap to allow more flex.

A couple days later the cold water valve on the shower faucet just spun and wouldn't open. That was an easy fix, although about 3 weeks later, the hot water valve did the same thing on the new one! Got that fixed under warranty.

We've always had issues with the sliding glass shower door. I think it was a lousy design and I noticed Jayco stopped using it, at least in their Greyhawk Motorhomes. It was replaced once under warranty. The dealer told us that is was not hung properly and caused it to bind and broke the roller. During our previous trip in April, it got stuck about halfway open while trying to close it, but after a day or two it worked fine so I forgot about it. This trip it finally threw in the towel. I wasn't replacing it again, so I got a shower curtain rod, a liner and a curtain. That works much better.

Next to go was the house battery. It was 5 years old, but gave no indication of problems before this trip. About 10 days after we arrived, I noticed the converter/charger wasn't running and the battery was getting low. I used a regular charger and the battery still wouldn't charge. Replaced the battery and all was good.

For about another 2 weeks. Then the converter/charger failed. After replacing the battery, I noticed the fan would intermittently stop running for a short period. Then finally it just died. I decided I'd deal with it when we got home and just use the standard auto battery charger I had. That failed after only 5 days. The charger was under warranty, so had it replaced.

Then a couple days before we are ready to leave, one of the factory crimps on the water line to the toilet started to leak! Fortunately, the line is exposed so a couple shark bite pex couplers and we are back in business.

Then to top it all off, on the way home yesterday, my son comes back from going to the bathroom and tells me that the kitchen floor is soaked. I was getting ready to pull over for gas anyway. My wife checked it out and confirmed there was enough water that it ran to the carpet in the living room and soaked a good portion of the carpet!

Turns out the knob securing the water inlet line on the hot water heater had worked its way loose and sprayed water as soon as the pump was turned on, which was just after my son walking into the bathroom. Fortunately, he only had to pee or there would have been a lot more water!

Nothing earth shattering, but a lot of little things that add up to a few days of camping lost. I still have to address the hole in the floor and the converter/charger, plus re-attach the wood I had to remove to gain access to the shower drain, after I patch the hole in the floor.

-Michael
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This last trip didn't really have any big issues, just many little ones.

We camped at 1 campground for 6 weeks. We encountered the first problem when we got there. The drain in the shower started leaking. What a hassle. Even though Jayco put a nice little access panel to get to the drain, a hot air duct from the furnace runs between that access hole and the drain. I had to pull all the wood back from under the tub to pull back the duct and get it out of the way. In an effort to fix it, I just made it worse. I had to call a mobile RV repairman to bail me out.

In the process of trying to repair the drain, I discovered that Jayco never covered a hole in the floor, under the shower tub, to allow some wires to come into the coach from underneath. The hole is about 6\" x 5\" and I can see clear to the ground. A massive hole for a 1\" bunch of wires. Good thing there are no mice or other critters at our storage facility or any campground we've ever camped at in the 5 years we've owned the camper.

The issue with the drain was that Jayco only left about an 1/8\" between the floor and the bottom of the trap for the shower tub to flex. After 5 years of hitting the floor while flexing, the drain putty final gave up the fight. The mobile repair guy shortened the trap to allow more flex.

A couple days later the cold water valve on the shower faucet just spun and wouldn't open. That was an easy fix, although about 3 weeks later, the hot water valve did the same thing on the new one! Got that fixed under warranty.

We've always had issues with the sliding glass shower door. I think it was a lousy design and I noticed Jayco stopped using it, at least in their Greyhawk Motorhomes. It was replaced once under warranty. The dealer told us that is was not hung properly and caused it to bind and broke the roller. During our previous trip in April, it got stuck about halfway open while trying to close it, but after a day or two it worked fine so I forgot about it. This trip it finally threw in the towel. I wasn't replacing it again, so I got a shower curtain rod, a liner and a curtain. That works much better.

Next to go was the house battery. It was 5 years old, but gave no indication of problems before this trip. About 10 days after we arrived, I noticed the converter/charger wasn't running and the battery was getting low. I used a regular charger and the battery still wouldn't charge. Replaced the battery and all was good.

For about another 2 weeks. Then the converter/charger failed. After replacing the battery, I noticed the fan would intermittently stop running for a short period. Then finally it just died. I decided I'd deal with it when we got home and just use the standard auto battery charger I had. That failed after only 5 days. The charger was under warranty, so had it replaced.

Then a couple days before we are ready to leave, one of the factory crimps on the water line to the toilet started to leak! Fortunately, the line is exposed so a couple shark bite pex couplers and we are back in business.

Then to top it all off, on the way home yesterday, my son comes back from going to the bathroom and tells me that the kitchen floor is soaked. I was getting ready to pull over for gas anyway. My wife checked it out and confirmed there was enough water that it ran to the carpet in the living room and soaked a good portion of the carpet!

Turns out the knob securing the water inlet line on the hot water heater had worked its way loose and sprayed water as soon as the pump was turned on, which was just after my son walking into the bathroom. Fortunately, he only had to pee or there would have been a lot more water!

Nothing earth shattering, but a lot of little things that add up to a few days of camping lost. I still have to address the hole in the floor and the converter/charger, plus re-attach the wood I had to remove to gain access to the shower drain, after I patch the hole in the floor.

-Michael","body@stringLength":"4229","rawBody":"We have been fortunate that in the 10 years we've owned a RV we've never really had any big problems while camping. This last trip didn't really have any big issues, just many little ones.

We camped at 1 campground for 6 weeks. We encountered the first problem when we got there. The drain in the shower started leaking. What a hassle. Even though Jayco put a nice little access panel to get to the drain, a hot air duct from the furnace runs between that access hole and the drain. I had to pull all the wood back from under the tub to pull back the duct and get it out of the way. In an effort to fix it, I just made it worse. I had to call a mobile RV repairman to bail me out.

In the process of trying to repair the drain, I discovered that Jayco never covered a hole in the floor, under the shower tub, to allow some wires to come into the coach from underneath. The hole is about 6\" x 5\" and I can see clear to the ground. A massive hole for a 1\" bunch of wires. Good thing there are no mice or other critters at our storage facility or any campground we've ever camped at in the 5 years we've owned the camper.

The issue with the drain was that Jayco only left about an 1/8\" between the floor and the bottom of the trap for the shower tub to flex. After 5 years of hitting the floor while flexing, the drain putty final gave up the fight. The mobile repair guy shortened the trap to allow more flex.

A couple days later the cold water valve on the shower faucet just spun and wouldn't open. That was an easy fix, although about 3 weeks later, the hot water valve did the same thing on the new one! Got that fixed under warranty.

We've always had issues with the sliding glass shower door. I think it was a lousy design and I noticed Jayco stopped using it, at least in their Greyhawk Motorhomes. It was replaced once under warranty. The dealer told us that is was not hung properly and caused it to bind and broke the roller. During our previous trip in April, it got stuck about halfway open while trying to close it, but after a day or two it worked fine so I forgot about it. This trip it finally threw in the towel. I wasn't replacing it again, so I got a shower curtain rod, a liner and a curtain. That works much better.

Next to go was the house battery. It was 5 years old, but gave no indication of problems before this trip. About 10 days after we arrived, I noticed the converter/charger wasn't running and the battery was getting low. I used a regular charger and the battery still wouldn't charge. Replaced the battery and all was good.

For about another 2 weeks. Then the converter/charger failed. After replacing the battery, I noticed the fan would intermittently stop running for a short period. Then finally it just died. I decided I'd deal with it when we got home and just use the standard auto battery charger I had. That failed after only 5 days. The charger was under warranty, so had it replaced.

Then a couple days before we are ready to leave, one of the factory crimps on the water line to the toilet started to leak! Fortunately, the line is exposed so a couple shark bite pex couplers and we are back in business.

Then to top it all off, on the way home yesterday, my son comes back from going to the bathroom and tells me that the kitchen floor is soaked. I was getting ready to pull over for gas anyway. My wife checked it out and confirmed there was enough water that it ran to the carpet in the living room and soaked a good portion of the carpet!

Turns out the knob securing the water inlet line on the hot water heater had worked its way loose and sprayed water as soon as the pump was turned on, which was just after my son walking into the bathroom. Fortunately, he only had to pee or there would have been a lot more water!

Nothing earth shattering, but a lot of little things that add up to a few days of camping lost. I still have to address the hole in the floor and the converter/charger, plus re-attach the wood I had to remove to gain access to the shower drain, after I patch the hole in the floor.

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DutchmenSport wrote:
Now the hole in the floor? Why did it take you 5 years to find it?


The hole was under the shower, beneath the heater duct that was behind plywood/luan that hid everything under the shower. If the drain hadn't leaked, I'd have no idea the hole was there.

Manufacture defect? No! Not after 5 years. It's just normal wear and tear.


The shower door was poor design and since Jayco stopped using it, that pretty much qualifies my statement. Not a manufacturer defect, just a piece of junk. :) The hole in the floor is definitely a manufacturer defect. There's no reason to cut a 6\"x5\" hole to run a 1\" bundle of cable.

However, when wear and tear become too much, then it's time to think about trading. (Just like with a car).


I was seriously thinking about trading after the converter/charger went. I wasn't really venting or ranting, just posting the experience. It was actually good therapy to get it out!

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DutchmenSport wrote:
Now the hole in the floor? Why did it take you 5 years to find it?


The hole was under the shower, beneath the heater duct that was behind plywood/luan that hid everything under the shower. If the drain hadn't leaked, I'd have no idea the hole was there.

Manufacture defect? No! Not after 5 years. It's just normal wear and tear.


The shower door was poor design and since Jayco stopped using it, that pretty much qualifies my statement. Not a manufacturer defect, just a piece of junk. :) The hole in the floor is definitely a manufacturer defect. There's no reason to cut a 6\"x5\" hole to run a 1\" bundle of cable.

However, when wear and tear become too much, then it's time to think about trading. (Just like with a car).


I was seriously thinking about trading after the converter/charger went. I wasn't really venting or ranting, just posting the experience. It was actually good therapy to get it out!

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mgirardo wrote:

The issue with the drain was that Jayco only left about an 1/8\" between the floor and the bottom of the trap for the shower tub to flex. After 5 years of hitting the floor while flexing, the drain putty final gave up the fight. The mobile repair guy shortened the trap to allow more flex.


Too much flexing will result in a crack in the Fiberglass at the drain. I had to put some 2X4 under my tub -- after replacing the old tub. Big Job for on old man. . . . :M","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-20T05:56:57.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-20T05:56:57.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":506},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:1407570/message:1407576","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"526","rawBody":"
mgirardo wrote:

The issue with the drain was that Jayco only left about an 1/8\" between the floor and the bottom of the trap for the shower tub to flex. After 5 years of hitting the floor while flexing, the drain putty final gave up the fight. The mobile repair guy shortened the trap to allow more flex.


Too much flexing will result in a crack in the Fiberglass at the drain. I had to put some 2X4 under my tub -- after replacing the old tub. Big Job for on old man. . . . :M","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1407576_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:89352":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:89352","uid":89352,"login":"naturist","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2008-04-24T07:00:03.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:39"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:89352"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1407575":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1407575","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1407575":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:89352"},"id":"message:1407575","revisionNum":1,"uid":1407575,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1407570"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1407570"},"subject":"Re: One trip, 6 weeks, many issues...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1407575"},"body":"
gbopp wrote:
tenbear wrote:
You have been lucky for 10 years.

Quality Control is non-existent in RV manufacturing. Manufacturers depend on the dealer to catch problems but the dealer doesn't want to spend the time doing the quality control the manufacturer didn't do.

JMHO


I agree. Everyone should keep this in mind when shopping for RV's.


Me, too.

First time I used the shower in our brand new rig, I pulled back the curtain to see a lake on the floor. Turned out the guy who installed the shower drain didn't bother to tighten the nut that held the trap to the drain. I made sure to go through the rest of the plumbing and check every fitting.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-20T05:28:47.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-20T05:28:47.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":506},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:1407570/message:1407575","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"760","rawBody":"
gbopp wrote:
tenbear wrote:
You have been lucky for 10 years.

Quality Control is non-existent in RV manufacturing. Manufacturers depend on the dealer to catch problems but the dealer doesn't want to spend the time doing the quality control the manufacturer didn't do.

JMHO


I agree. Everyone should keep this in mind when shopping for RV's.


Me, too.

First time I used the shower in our brand new rig, I pulled back the curtain to see a lake on the floor. Turned out the guy who installed the shower drain didn't bother to tighten the nut that held the trap to the drain. I made sure to go through the rest of the plumbing and check every fitting.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1407575_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:1125":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1125","uid":1125,"login":"DutchmenSport","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2006-10-10T09:31:31.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1125"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1407574":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1407574","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1407574":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1125"},"id":"message:1407574","revisionNum":1,"uid":1407574,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1407570"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1407570"},"subject":"Re: One trip, 6 weeks, many issues...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1407574"},"body":"Your 2009 Jayco is now 5 years old. Sounds like you have used your camper a lot during that time. I think your minor issues are just normal wear and tear on your camper. Considering these things did not unearth until 5 years after you purchased the camper, I think your camper is doing very well. These are not manufacturer defects.

Now the hole in the floor? Why did it take you 5 years to find it? I can understand the drain pipe hitting and the flexing issue. Still, it took 5 years for it to start leaking.

I think you have hit that point with your camper that some of us have experienced also. Just like an automobile, there's that point where a few things begin to fail ... all at the same time. Because they are minor and relatively easy to fix and not to expensive, you'll probably find you won't have any more issues for a while, then all of a sudden you'll encounter a few more fixes all about the same time. It seems like they run in cycles like that. Manufacture defect? No! Not after 5 years. It's just normal wear and tear.

However, when wear and tear become too much, then it's time to think about trading. (Just like with a car).","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-20T05:28:12.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-20T05:28:12.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":508},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:1407570/message:1407574","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1183","rawBody":"Your 2009 Jayco is now 5 years old. Sounds like you have used your camper a lot during that time. I think your minor issues are just normal wear and tear on your camper. Considering these things did not unearth until 5 years after you purchased the camper, I think your camper is doing very well. These are not manufacturer defects.

Now the hole in the floor? Why did it take you 5 years to find it? I can understand the drain pipe hitting and the flexing issue. Still, it took 5 years for it to start leaking.

I think you have hit that point with your camper that some of us have experienced also. Just like an automobile, there's that point where a few things begin to fail ... all at the same time. Because they are minor and relatively easy to fix and not to expensive, you'll probably find you won't have any more issues for a while, then all of a sudden you'll encounter a few more fixes all about the same time. It seems like they run in cycles like that. Manufacture defect? No! Not after 5 years. It's just normal wear and tear.

However, when wear and tear become too much, then it's time to think about trading. (Just like with a car).","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1407574_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:146871":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:146871","uid":146871,"login":"gbopp","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2008-08-03T18:17:56.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:146871"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1407573":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1407573","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1407573":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:146871"},"id":"message:1407573","revisionNum":1,"uid":1407573,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1407570"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1407570"},"subject":"Re: One trip, 6 weeks, many issues...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1407573"},"body":"
tenbear wrote:
You have been lucky for 10 years.

Quality Control is non-existent in RV manufacturing. Manufacturers depend on the dealer to catch problems but the dealer doesn't want to spend the time doing the quality control the manufacturer didn't do.

JMHO


I agree. Everyone should keep this in mind when shopping for RV's.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-20T04:50:11.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-20T04:50:11.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":507},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:1407570/message:1407573","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"389","rawBody":"
tenbear wrote:
You have been lucky for 10 years.

Quality Control is non-existent in RV manufacturing. Manufacturers depend on the dealer to catch problems but the dealer doesn't want to spend the time doing the quality control the manufacturer didn't do.

JMHO


I agree. 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