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Agarbers
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Jul 23, 2015

Additional Onan Genset Cooling?

We just bought a new to us 2006 Winnebago Sightseer with an Onan 4000 genset. The first time we used the generator, all seemed well but after it ran 30-45 minutes it seemed to be having fuel issues. It was in the high 80s to low 90s and the gas tank was full. I stopped and added enough carb cleaner to treat the entire 75 gallons in the tank. We tried it again a day or two later and the unit would not stay running. Again, it was hot out. Luckily the weather changed and the ambient temps dropped to the point we didn't need to run the genset to keep the dogs cool while sitting in parking lots.

On our return trip we got back into hot weather again and I fired up the genset while restocking our supplies. The until ran great for about 30 minuets and then quit, just like it ran out of fuel or I had turned it off. I located a thread on a forum that told how to find the code and it failed on open stator coil (or something like that.

At each event the generator compartment seemed very hot to me. The genset sucks cooling air in on the side and vents out the bottom which can rise right back into the genset compartment.

When I got home I decided to see what I could figure out. I opened the genset compartment and started the genset. It ran for two hours with no issues and the ambient was hot and humid. After the two hours the grass under the genset was scorched and dead. I parked the RV with it's back end over a slope so that the genset was three feet off the ground so it was easy to climb under, so the clearance was greater than normal.

I closed the door briefly and the intake air quickly started rising as the discharge air recirculated. When I say discharge, I am not talking about the exhaust. It is piped out past the RV bumper.

I have read elsewhere that Onan gensets don't do well above 120 degrees ambient and I have no doubt that the compartment was getting above that without the door open.

Yes, the Onan door is in place so cooling air can't short cycle.

Short of leaving the generator door open when parked, the only options I see are:
-install a baffle and grill on the outside compartment door so that the genset has to draw air away from the discharge.
-install some sort of exhaust fan so that the discharge air is pulled away from the enclosure.
-install a fan to blow air into the compartment through the compartment door.

I am an HVAC tech, so I know a little about things like this. It floors me that a genset would be factory installed in a manner that allows hot discharge air to rise right back into the genset.
Every A/C unit I have worked on in 31 years requires a great deal of free space past the discharge as well as the intake.

Any similar experiences or cures?
  • Our Onan ran in 100 + heat for several days without any problem. It's in the same type of enclosure you described.

    It seems like you may be suffering from vapor lock in the fuel system. I wonder if the fuel pump is going bad. If it's not pumping with enough pressure vapor lock can happen in high heat.

    I've read where folks have added fans to help move the air in the generator compartment.
  • You need to troubleshoot this. Allow me to present a scenario...

    Cool day light load no problemo

    Hot day medium load problemo

    Try a cool day, near max load and see if the unit faults

    A partial short in a stator coil will make the entire unit run hotter than the hinges of hades. Air first goes to the generator then continues on to the motor.

    I would not discount the diagnostic failure code out of hand.

    A generator with a shorted stator coil can not produce anywhere near maximum rated watts output. I would start the diagnostic process by heavily loading the generator on a cooler day. Two minute warm up time with NO load at first.
  • I'm not an expert be any means but maybe this might help you?

    After similar problems you mention I did a complete tune up (all except adjusting valves)and put in a new fuel pump. Solved my problems. But I should of looked more closely before buying the new fuel pump. I often think maybe the fuel pump might of been my problem all along.

    I bought the new fuel pump before taking out the old one because I never changed one before and wanted to see what I was up against.

    The elec connection had one blade that had strange marks on it. I often wonder if the entire problem was the connection. Maybe after getting warmed up it would wiggle lose or loose contact? On my new pump I also packed in some elec grease.

    I think you have something else going on other than temps of normal heat. They are made to work in temps that we have. Which surprised me because using a temp gun it gets pretty hot in there. (I don't remember the temps off hand).

    Just a heads up about fuel treatment? I also did mine thinking that might be the problem and a good preventive measure for the RV's entire fuel system. And I really didn't know how the old owner took care of it. Turns out the fuel treatment (Seafoam) did a fantastic job of cleaning the entire fuel system. So good in fact that I fouled out 2 injectors at about 1,000 miles after treating the fuel system.

    Following an "injector" shop recommendations and after getting injectors cleaned out, I changed out the fuel filter and then changed it again every 2,500 miles (twice) and then every oil change after that.
  • Can't say for sure what is up with your Onan but we have the same unit and have run it for over 24 hours in extreme outdoor temps exceeding 110 degrees (PHX area) and she just keeps purring delivering enough juice to power our entire rig as if on shore power.

    We would never run the genny with door open or covers off for any extended period of time as indicated by our Onan's manual. Something else is amiss other than external ambient temperature as these units are hardy enough to run under most any condition when operating properly..
  • There are a lot of these gensets running to stave off the Texas heat, and something like this is more an exception than the rule.

    The three things that come to mind are exactly as above. The carb, stator, and fuel pump.

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