Warning - Firearm Carriers - Avoid New Jersey

turbojimmy wrote:

jplante4 wrote:

riven1950 wrote:

Avoid New Jersey at all cost.

I've always thought this was good advice.

Copy that.

Gun issue aside, have you ever been to NJ? Other than passing through Newark.

I grew up in Newark. Central Ward. Does that give me the right to an opinion about NJ?

since there evidently is a national network of CC permits, I have heard that that is one quick way for a LEO to arrive at gun carrying questions?
bumpy

The Mad Norsky wrote:
I was law enforcement for 25 years. Good grief, if NJ cops cannot tell an antique when they see one, wow, are they lacking in training.

You missed the point entirely. I didn't say they couldn't tell the difference. Okay, I did, but I left out the context: If someone had whipped that out of the glovebox and pointed it at you during a traffic stop, how would you have reacted (remember you have about a quarter of a second to decide what it is and whether it will harm you)?

That's not what happened here, but that's why there are rules. The guy probably had an attitude and the cop's ego couldn't handle it. It happens. I agree it's a waste of everyone's time and money to prosecute. A sensible judge would toss it out (but there aren't a lot of those either).

Somehow people that comply with the law and show some respect never wind up on the news, in cuffs or dead.

Thanks, John Burke! I can't believe it took four pages of ridiculous rants before anyone bothered to check on the facts.

turbojimmy wrote:
Yeah, it's an antique. But cops aren't really trained to tell the difference between antique guns and modern guns. And irrespective of age they're all designed to inflict harm, right?

If ANY cop cannot tell the difference between the weapon in question here and a modern firearm, then they have absolutely no business being in that profession.

There's also something called prosecutorial discression, which means they don't waste valuable office time and the public's money on silly stuff like this.

I was law enforcement for 25 years. Good grief, if NJ cops cannot tell an antique when they see one, wow, are they lacking in training.

turbojimmy wrote:

The Mad Norsky wrote:
Seems to be a lack of clear thinking people along with Draconian laws giving New Jersey it's problems.

Maybe, but if the guy had put the gun where it wasn't accessible by he or any passengers there would be no story.

Yeah, it's an antique. But cops aren't really trained to tell the difference between antique guns and modern guns. And irrespective of age they're all designed to inflict harm, right?

NJ's highways are popular for drug traffickers passing through the state - typically from south to north. They have guns. Cops' jobs are perilous. Simple rules minimize their risk. Reading through the article it seemed the guy had a bit of an attitude and was dealt with accordingly.

I travel to the Poconos a lot. I pass the memorial for NJ State Trooper Philip Lamonaco every time. Executed by drug dealers during a traffic stop.

http://www.odmp.org/officer/7835-trooper-philip-joseph-lamonaco

If you're passing through the state in an RV the chances you'll be stopped are slim to none. If you do get stopped, make sure you're abiding by the rules. It's not hard.

Thank you for bringing some common sense to this issue.

Follow the rules.

Don't cop an attitude with a cop.

If you have problems with these 2 guidelines, you probably shouldn't have fire arms in your possession.

The Mad Norsky wrote:
Seems to be a lack of clear thinking people along with Draconian laws giving New Jersey it's problems.

Maybe, but if the guy had put the gun where it wasn't accessible by he or any passengers there would be no story.

Yeah, it's an antique. But cops aren't really trained to tell the difference between antique guns and modern guns. And irrespective of age they're all designed to inflict harm, right?

NJ's highways are popular for drug traffickers passing through the state - typically from south to north. They have guns. Cops' jobs are perilous. Simple rules minimize their risk. Reading through the article it seemed the guy had a bit of an attitude and was dealt with accordingly.

I travel to the Poconos a lot. I pass the memorial for NJ State Trooper Philip Lamonaco every time. Executed by drug dealers during a traffic stop.

http://www.odmp.org/officer/7835-trooper-philip-joseph-lamonaco

If you're passing through the state in an RV the chances you'll be stopped are slim to none. If you do get stopped, make sure you're abiding by the rules. It's not hard.

A couple of quotes from the linked article:

“I called the prosecutor to see what we could do on this, and the prosecutor told me that they were waiting for ballistics," Nappen said incredulously. "And I’m thinking, ‘What? Ballistics on a flintlock?'"

In an interview with NRA News, Van Gilder gave more details about his arrest.

“One of the undersheriffs said, ‘Well, let him go, it’s 250 years old,’" Van Gilder said. "But his boss, who is the sheriff, said, ‘No, we have to arrest him.’


My thoughts? First, ballistics on a 250 year old muzzle loader?????

Second, undersheriff seems to have had more sense than anyone in this fiasco.

Seems to be a lack of clear thinking people along with Draconian laws giving New Jersey it's problems.

This from the NJ Attorney Generals office website.
Not a big deal to do it, if you follow the rules.

Office of The Attorney General



Transporting a Firearm Into / Through the State of New Jersey

All firearms transported into the State of New Jersey:

•Shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel, shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.


•The firearm should not be directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console.


For additional exemptions refer to Chapter 39, namely 2C:39-6g.

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All firearms transported through the State of New Jersey:

The following guidelines are provided in order to assist law enforcement officers in applying New Jersey's firearms laws to persons who are transporting firearms through the State of New Jersey.
I. New Jersey laws governing firearms permits, purchaser identification cards, registration and licenses do not apply to a person who is transporting the firearm through this State if that person is transporting the firearm in a manner permitted by federal law, 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.
II. This federal law permitting interstate transportation of a firearm applies only if all of the following requirements are met:
A.The person's possession of the firearm was lawful in the state in which the journey began;
B.The person's possession of the firearm will be lawful in the state in which the journey will end;
C.The person is transporting the firearm for lawful purpose
D.The firearm is unloaded
E.The firearm is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle
F.The ammunition is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle
G.If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console;
H.The person is not
1.a convicted felon
2.a fugitive from justice an addict or unlawful user of drugs, or
3.an illegal alien
I.The person has not
1.been adjudicated to be a mental defective
2.been committed to a mental institution
3.been dishonorably discharged from the armed forces, or
4.renounced his United States Citizenship
III.A person who is transporting a firearm though the State of New Jersey in the manner permitted by person's possession 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, see Section II above, need not give notice.
IV.Procedures for Investigation of Conduct Involving the Possession or Transportation of Firearms
A.An officer who reasonably suspects that a person is transporting a firearm in violation of New Jersey law should make reasonable inquiries in order to confirm or dispel that suspicion.
B.In a case where circumstances reasonably indicate that the person's possession and transportation of the firearms my be permitted by 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, the officer should make reasonable inquiries in order to determine whether the person's possession is permitted by that federal law.
C.If reasonable inquiries lead an officer to conclude that the person's possession is lawful under either New Jersey law or 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II, the officer should promptly allow the person to proceed.
D.Whenever an officer has probable cause to believe that a person's possession of a firearm is in violation of New Jersey law and not permitted by 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II, then the officer should make an arrest.
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www.handgunlaw.us has a lot of info on cc.