Class A with tag axle - beware of $1000. fine in AZ!

P Kennedy wrote:
No what I'm saying is unless you solicit some actual and factual information vs personal interpretations you may be misguiding and causing undue stress by instilling panic with ongoing debates. The issue as stated has merits for discussion but 11 pages of here say is well debateable like Neverhome has pointed out. Most Class A units are more than capable of fueling out of state and traveling into the state without issue. I also understand Arizona is unique with less than normal amount of traffic reducing the amount of "truck stops" available. However there are many ways of educating oneself and planning fuel stops today including this forum. The issue of the fuel pumps should be properly investigated and the results brought forward. Now seeing as you pointed out the number of "tourists" visiting the area is high surely a number of interested folks without a work schedule could properly seek the truth. If there is no interest in doing so then we could say it was elevated on the forum by overzealous fear mongering debate. To start post a picture of the discussed warning stickers on the forum and then like I stated follow up accordingly. Yes M Smith the forum is for the discussion of Class A related issues but the unnecessary browbeating or flaming of participants based on heresay is well? If there truly is an issue initiate a petition by the basis of democracy and true information. That's what my point was, 11 pages of heresay and speculation.

I don't know about you, but I'm a professor of Criminal Justice, I have a graduate degree, and I spent 28 years in law enforcement. I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on TV! My comments on this matter are based on my actual research of Arizona law. That is not hearsay or as you put it, heresay. Hearsay is one person hearing something from another and then repeating it. If you want to attend one of my criminal law classes I will teach you that. Or you could just learn from what I have written on here. I don't have the final answer yet, but we're getting there. And as for me instilling panic, I'm not the one who reported getting a thousand dollar ticket in AZ for using the wrong pumps. I'm just the one trying to get to the bottom of it. And assuming that report about the ticket is factual, then that's the exactly the type of information I want to read about on here. If you don't want to participate in the discussion or don't like it, hit the next button.

It is not about the 8 bucks....its the 1K fine and trying to do the right thing.

NeverHome2 wrote:
All this activity and outrage on an extra $8 (on 100 gal)!! :R Maybe everyone should be looking at what they pay on April 15th every year and get a little excited about that!

$8 now, $16 a couple years down the road, $32 a few more years later! Let me know when it is enough!

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"Use class motor vehicle" means a motor vehicle that uses use fuel on a highway in this state and that is a road tractor, truck tractor, truck or passenger carrying vehicle having a declared gross vehicle weight of more than twenty-six thousand pounds or having more than two axles."

I have researched this most of the day (slow day). This is what I come up with.
Following the commas: 1 - A mh is not a road tractor. 2 - A mh is not a truck tractor. 3 - A mh is not a truck or passenger carrying vehicle (AZ definition BUS) having a declared weight (weight has to be declared on registration and additional registration fees are charged). 4 - A mh is not a truck or passenger carrying vehicle (BUS) having more than two axles.
I am convinced the additional fuel tax is for commercial use and private mhs are not included in this description/class of vehicles.
I have calls in to the state to confirm this. I have all ready talked to two ADOT personnel that confirm my understanding of the tax. I believe it is written very clearly.
The problem seems to be the interpretation of passenger carrying vehicle. I forget the exact statute however AZ defines a PCV as a bus such as a tour bus or Greyhound type passenger bus.

No what I'm saying is unless you solicit some actual and factual information vs personal interpretations you may be misguiding and causing undue stress by instilling panic with ongoing debates. The issue as stated has merits for discussion but 11 pages of here say is well debateable like Neverhome has pointed out. Most Class A units are more than capable of fueling out of state and traveling into the state without issue. I also understand Arizona is unique with less than normal amount of traffic reducing the amount of "truck stops" available. However there are many ways of educating oneself and planning fuel stops today including this forum. The issue of the fuel pumps should be properly investigated and the results brought forward. Now seeing as you pointed out the number of "tourists" visiting the area is high surely a number of interested folks without a work schedule could properly seek the truth. If there is no interest in doing so then we could say it was elevated on the forum by overzealous fear mongering debate. To start post a picture of the discussed warning stickers on the forum and then like I stated follow up accordingly. Yes M Smith the forum is for the discussion of Class A related issues but the unnecessary browbeating or flaming of participants based on heresay is well? If there truly is an issue initiate a petition by the basis of democracy and true information. That's what my point was, 11 pages of heresay and speculation.

tahiti16, it's more than just exceptions. I think it's pretty clear that RV's are not listed in the exceptions. The issue (in my opinion) is about if RV's are included in the definition of "Use Vehicle." If they aren't in the original definition, then there is no need to specifically exclude them. Based on my research, I'm not convinced RV's are included in the definition. However, since this entire debate started over somebody in an RV claiming they got a ticket, at least some official in Arizona thinks they are.

Just toi add fuel to the fire, no pun, 28-5623. Civil penalty; use fuel purchaser; vendor refund; financial penalty prohibited; subsequent violations

A. Notwithstanding any other law, if a person intentionally purchases use fuel for use in a use class motor vehicle that is not exempt pursuant to section 28-5432 from the weight fee prescribed in section 28-5433 and the person pays the use fuel tax rate for a light class motor vehicle, all of the following apply:

1. Except as provided in subsection B of this section, the person is subject to a civil penalty of one thousand dollars or ten dollars for each gallon of use fuel dispensed, whichever is greater, and shall pay to the department the difference between the amount of light class motor vehicle use fuel tax paid and the amount of the use class motor vehicle use fuel tax on the same number of gallons purchased.

And the only exception I found was for a historical vehicle with AZ historical plates, that have lots of restrictions.

Is there limit of how much discussion can be done on a discussion forum? Doesn't sound like the issue is resolved at all yet either. I'll continue to discuss it if that's alright with you.

My apologies for raising your ire msmith1199. My point is that 127 posts and 14 pages seem to be sufficient. At that point a resolution should be close. No offense intended.
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NeverHome2 wrote:
All this activity and outrage on an extra $8 (on 100 gal)!! :R Maybe everyone should be looking at what they pay on April 15th every year and get a little excited about that!

April 15th is tax day for Federal and State income taxes. Other than being able to write off your RV interest as mortgage interest, they have nothing to do with Class A RV's. This tax in Arizona, even if it is only $8, is directly related to RV's and specifically Class A diesel RV's. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the little thingee at the top of my screen says "RV.NET" and a little thingee below that says "Class A Motorhomes."

I would suggest that the people on here discussing this issue are in the perfect place to do so and are using this forum for exactly what it was intended. So why then to people feel the need to try and stop such communication such as yourself?

And it's not just about the 8 cents a gallon either. Like I pointed out to the other annoyed person above, there aren't truck stops on every corner in Arizona. There are gas stations on every corner and a large percentage of those sell diesel fuel. So it's a matter of where I can go buy fuel too.