Is this the start of Workhorse again? Isuzu?

GM does not have anything to do with Workhorse

tatest wrote:
This is the third time around for GM to try a comeback into the MDT and HDT business, after being forced out of it twice by the terms of a U.S. government financial rescue.

I don't think it has anything to do with Workhorse, a company set up to pick up GM's chassis business after GM was forced to abandon it in the earlier bailout. There is no other connection, and Workhorse has since failed, been bought and sold again, and will get into the motorhome chassis business if the new owners (mostly in the hybrid truck chassis business) decides the tiny RV chassis market is worth the bother.

More likely that GM might try to get back into RV and step van markets themselves, to compete with Workhorse?

Does GM have any relationship with Workhorse? Don't think so. Sorry GM fans.

rgatijnet1 wrote:
Ford has had a history of major recalls with all of their vehicles that makes the WH brake issue seem like a minor incident.

:h What the heck are you talking about????? Every manufacturer has had recalls, every one. Just look at how many air bags are being recalled today - every manufacturer, all used the same supplier for the air bags.

Brakes on the other hand, oh I don't know...not really a big deal until you need them, then it's really not much more than the real possibility death. The worst part about this was how long WH ignored the issue, then said there is no issue, then blamed the customer, then dragged their feet once they couldn't ignore it any more. Even then, don't use your brakes hard or you'll still pay the bill.

From the link above;

Rotors with radial cracks are NOT considered recall related damage unless there is other evidence of damage. Such cracks are typical of “riding” the brakes downhill, absence of a towed car brake system and continued hard braking. If the cracks are severe enough to merit replacement, that would be at the owner’s expense.

But hey, at least they got on the pitman arm issue fairly soon, so at least you could steer when your brakes failed.

And for the record, I don't own a gas chassis - haven't since 2002, so I have no dog in this hunt. Having said that, what Workhorse did with this (lack of) recall was boarderline criminal IMO. They knowing were putting lives at stake, and the excuses they were using were absurd.

rgatijnet1 wrote:
So Ford is getting a 6 speed tow haul transmission in 2016. I guess this is similar to what WH had with the Allison transmission way back in 2006.
It was easy for Ford to be leader of the pack when they had no competition.
Talk about engineers that screw things up, the two piece spark plug fiasco that Ford did with the F53 chassis up through 2008 is a perfect example of bad engineering. .

Yes Ford has some issues but as time goes on it will just get better if they stick with the current V-10 and transmission, I have the 2 piece spark plug now in my 08 and soon to replace them with the newer 1 piece spark plug but other than that the chassis is flawless so far.

The spark plug that breaks in 2 pieces is only a minor issue if you replace them before 50,000 miles and they have a tool to remove broken piece if it happens, many now on Youtube have videos about this and its almost a 100 percent removal without any issues if done early..

Here's a success removal, hope mine goes this well
https://youtu.be/XOVhhkC3A2c

rgatijnet1 wrote:
Ford has had a history of major recalls with all of their vehicles that makes the WH brake issue seem like a minor incident.

Only a minor issue to those that didn't own one with the bad brakes. But, then again I don't remember Ford blaming the consumer for any problems with the F53 like WH did. Now with new ownership, hopefully there will be a new attitude when problems occur and they will, they always do.

So Ford is getting a 6 speed tow haul transmission in 2016. I guess this is similar to what WH had with the Allison transmission way back in 2006.
It was easy for Ford to be leader of the pack when they had no competition.
Talk about engineers that screw things up, the two piece spark plug fiasco that Ford did with the F53 chassis up through 2008 is a perfect example of bad engineering. Then again, this may be the same engineers that screwed up the spark plugs in the 2 valve engines.
If anyone thinks that Ford, or any other manufacturer can build a chassis without some problems, they are dreaming. Ford has had a history of major recalls with all of their vehicles that makes the WH brake issue seem like a minor incident.

tatest wrote:
This is the third time around for GM to try a comeback into the MDT and HDT business, after being forced out of it twice by the terms of a U.S. government financial rescue.

I don't think it has anything to do with Workhorse, a company set up to pick up GM's chassis business after GM was forced to abandon it in the earlier bailout. There is no other connection, and Workhorse has since failed, been bought and sold again, and will get into the motorhome chassis business if the new owners (mostly in the hybrid truck chassis business) decides the tiny RV chassis market is worth the bother.

More likely that GM might try to get back into RV and step van markets themselves, to compete with Workhorse?

That's why I think Ford will rule the future in gas motorhome market, buying from a company that has a history like Workhorse and all the new engineers to screw it all up all over again and almost get it right than they shut it down to start all over with another company and engineers..

However this new start up will get Ford moving again and even make more better improvements to stay leader of the pack and they have already done that in 2016 by putting in the 6 speed tow-haul trans and more chassis improvements..

This is the third time around for GM to try a comeback into the MDT and HDT business, after being forced out of it twice by the terms of a U.S. government financial rescue.

I don't think it has anything to do with Workhorse, a company set up to pick up GM's chassis business after GM was forced to abandon it in the earlier bailout. There is no other connection, and Workhorse has since failed, been bought and sold again, and will get into the motorhome chassis business if the new owners (mostly in the hybrid truck chassis business) decides the tiny RV chassis market is worth the bother.

More likely that GM might try to get back into RV and step van markets themselves, to compete with Workhorse?

harold1946 wrote:


Here we go. My daddy can beat up your daddy.
Time to get out the popcorn since no one knows for sure what the exact engine engine specs are. :S
Wait till Workhorse makes their announcement and we will all know. :B

Your wrong about the engine numbers on the soon new Workhorse chassis, its already been announce and its only slightly above the stock V-10.

Add HP improvements to the V-10 and its slightly better in some cases..

I am not a big fan of Isuzu or GM. I owned at least 5 or 6 Isuzu NPR's and NQR's, they were a decent truck for the money but they were not built to operate in Northern winter weather. When the GM Top Kick came out we began trading off the Izuzus for Top Kick 4500 & 5500 series trucks. At first they seemed to be a huge improvement over the Isuzus but that conclusion was short lived. The GM trucks started having problems with just about everything except the Allison transmission. Late in 2013 the last Isuzu we had and 2 of the Top Kicks were traded off on M2 Freightliners. Another Freightliner was added this year. At this point the Freightliners have been excellent, I would not consider the new Isuzu-GM truck.