OP great post and I completely agree. Padre I also agree, it is horrific from ridiculously overpriced units to shady sales people running rampant, its disgusting. I attended one RV factory tour and it was pure chaos, units being slapped together and not thoroughly checked. I bought one of these units and will never deal with that vendor again, way too many issues from small to large. Unfortunately that is how the RV business is and will stay, I highly doubt there will be international competition, I wish there was, so they would put out a thorough product. As long as the consumer puts up with it, it will only get worse. Hopefully they will catch on and the forums will provide a voice for us. I was very close to buying a Jayco Seneca but once I heard all the issues online and the issues a friend had, I will not buy their product.