winnebago trend is now available class c

burlmart wrote:



Why is the Ducato cutaway different from existing B vans?

It's front wheel drive. No drive shaft and diff getting in the way of house systems. It also gets one a lower floor.

MPG: The lichtsinn video says it has a "24 gallon gas tank with an estimated cruising range of just under 500 miles". If you can believe the video it works out to almost 20.8mpg.

Pleasure way pursuit has an msrp of about 110,000

way overpriced

Snowman9000 wrote:

burlmart wrote:
Even better B+ for solo, and need not cost like an LTV

Oh, that IS slick!

Seems like for a 21’, single rear wheel Ducato, a rear dinette that makes a bed at the bottom. and a drop down bed from above to form a bunk bed either: a) bunk twins (narrow dinette making a single bed), or b) double-size bunk beds... are an optimal feature to reduce cantilever action lifting front drive wheels.

Thid frees the early riser to sit in a cab seat to read, drink coffee, and just have full coach access --c'mon guys, this ain't rocket science.


Put bath over one rear wheel (or split shower/toilet like big rigs), and kitchen appliances across the aisle over other wheel – load directly to rear axle

Front seats swivel to watch a TV mounted on wall of bathroom.


Why is the Ducato cutaway different from existing B vans? Straight side walls offer innovative arrangements, and more ‘headspace’.

Cs?" The rear drive coachbuilt Cs w/ their driveshaft forces a ‘too tall’ rig,

I do not mean to pick on any one rig, but imagine what Pleasureway might have produced for their 1st B+. yhe Pursuit, had they not been so conservatively focused and had a more flexible platform.

Skid Row Joe wrote:

mlts22 wrote:
This is a gamble for Winnebago, but I think there will be people buying this "C" just because of the high MPG (I think upper teens.)

There are a few nice features, such as the on-demand water heater. There are downsides as well. No slideouts is the biggest thing, but with a drop-down bed, it might not be as big a deal. The second downside is that this MH doesn't tow that much (2000 pound tow, 200 pound tongue which is enough for a cargo rack, but not much else.) One is definitely not hauling a toad with this rig. However, those downsides are not too bad, provided one doesn't mind packing up camp and using this to park at a county fair and such.

Just the MPG numbers will get it in the door in some households. Having similar fuel economy to a full size pickup truck is a lot easier to swallow than 8-10 MPG.

The price too is easy to swallow -- a couple thousand more than their "B", which is very strange (normally "B"s cost far more), so I would expect this to sell in the mid-70k range.

Pls LINK to your misinformation?!

There's NO way that will get "upper-teens mpg!"

Just as there's NO way that unit will sell in "the 70s!"

The Winnebago LINK clearly states the price of; "$87K."

I think there's a great need for a unit loke this. It is basically half the price of the Winnebago View 24' diesel MB Sprinter.

I really am interested in a Winnebago Class C or larger as my next unit. I am soo tired of all the roof leaks in my $100,000.00 Born Free Class C!

you should be able to get 20 percent of msrp and 20 percent is on the low end at least 25-this is on a c. different economics on b

Skid Row Joe wrote:
Pls LINK to your misinformation?!

There's NO way that will get "upper-teens mpg!"

Just as there's NO way that unit will sell in "the 70s!"

The Winnebago LINK clearly states the price of; "$87K."

I think there's a great need for a unit loke this. It is basically half the price of the Winnebago View 24' diesel MB Sprinter.

I really am interested in a Winnebago Class C or larger as my next unit. I am soo tired of all the roof leaks in my $100,000.00 Born Free Class C!

I state those values on two assumptions (and could be wrong): The first assuming a discount on price from dealers, and not going with paying the full MSRP, especially during the off season and near end of year (due to inventory taxes). The MPG numbers are estimating a bit less than Sprinters, so they could be off. However, they will be better than the usual E350/E450 chassis models.

There is one item which I am dubious about -- the roof is a rubber one (this assumed by the "roof skin warranty" quote on WGO's page.) Rubber roofs, compared to fiberglass or one piece aluminum offerings, are "when, not if", when it comes to leaks. However, one gets what they pay for, and hitting the top with Dicor every so often may not be a bad trade-off for a decent price.

burlmart wrote:
Even better B+ for solo, and need not cost like an LTV

Oh, that IS slick!

There is certainly a market for RVs that can be parked in a driveway without taking up much more space than a car; that are easy to drive; and that eliminate the need for a toad. If Ducato-based models are ~$20K under Sprinter-based models, a lot of people will give them a look when checking out B's, B+'s, and small C's. The drop-down bed frees up a lot of space, although I suspect it works better for folks of smaller size.

The old joke about FIAT standing for "Fix It Again, Tony" may not be applicable any more, but Fiat doesn't have the reputation in the USA that Mercedes had when the first Sprinters rolled out, so buyers may be cautious for a while. But more options & models has to be good for the consumer.

If the overhead bed can support at least a 150 pound adult
these could be winners.

their competition is large b's as opposed to larger c's.

burlmart wrote:
I see a two-four design for toadless travel: roughly, dimensions of a Rialta plus a few inches here and there (LWH, 24’, a bit under 2.4 meters, and just a bit over 2.4 m.

Kudos bigtime to Winnie to try a unique adaptation for the US market in bringing some great Euro ideas over in the Rialta. VW sucked on their end.

But now we have a proven versatile front drive chassis from an established Euro/US company, Chrysler, who will service the Ducato as a MH chassis.

The Ducato record is an international success for delivering the 2-4 compared to the VW Rialta of 2004.



Winnie guys,


Please. No Sprinter look-a-likes - get bold w/ the flexible MH chassis from Ducato.

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I too think it's a great idea and serving a market niche that is wide open to exploit. There is too much monkey see - monkey do in the industry. Few companies with the resources to try something new are willing to actually do it. In spite of being slagged off as overpriced etc, the Sprinter based RV has been successful enough that lots of folks jumped in too. I wouldn't be surprised if this one is the same.