Question re: 7 in 1 dog vaccine

So how do you know the issue was the multiple antigens vs. that manufacturer's vaccine?

We have had littermates have very bad reactions to one combo vaccine but had no issues with another company's combo vaccine for the same diseases. One of the littermates had mild anaphylactic shock to the first vaccine.

The old version of the lepto vaccine was well known to give adverse reactions. It had 2 antigens. The newer lepto vaccine has 4 antigens and very few adverse reactions. The older vaccine had adverse reactions because there were small fragments of the bacteria in with the desired whole bacteria. The manufacturing process not the antigens or number of antigens or additives caused the adverse reactions.

I'm just going off my own instincts. When I've had more than one vaccine, myself, one in one arm and one in the other, I've had more reactions than with just the single. Plus this is a little dog. This new vet doesn't push things. Our 18 year old cat hasn't had any vaccine since she was 8 or 9 yrs old. She doesn't go outdoors and doesn't do flea drops, none of it. She seems remarkably healthy to me, except for a bit of kitty dementia. We feel like the new vet over-treated our last two dogs in their final illness and gave us false hope. The old vet was a realist, bless his heart that finally gave out on him. But back to vaccines....I have to find that vaccine list/schedule that the AAVA (?) puts out with shots recommendations. That would probably be helpful.

Mark, the evidence is in the fact I almost lost a dog because of it and a very experienced vet practice has seen a rise in the type of reaction Toby had. Even if the odds are slim, what's the harm in spacing the vaccines out?

Where is the evidence (links to controlled studies) which demonstrate a multi valent vaccine is more harmful than multiple single valent vaccines? In humans, the CDC refutes the commonly held worry that multi valent vaccines are more harmful than single valent vaccines.

One thing everyone needs to keep in mind is that vaccines are not just the antigen; a vaccine for rabies is not just inactivated rabies virus it contains other components which can all elicit immune responses. Some scientific literature has reported other components in vaccines (other than the antigen) can cause autoimmune like responses (stimulate antibodies observed during autoimmune responses).

‘ASIA’ – Autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants
Adjuvants and autoimmunity
Autoimmunity induced by adjuvant hydrocarbon oil components of vaccine

I prefer my dogs to receive only 1 dose of adjuvants, preservatives, and other components in vaccines every 3 years (or longer) than to receive multiple doses of these other vaccine components by giving multiple single antigen vaccines. Until there is definitive evidence of the source (which components in vaccines) of vaccinosis I prefer to vaccinate less (fewer injections) which means multiple antigens per injection. If we see any adverse reactions to a vaccine (a mixture prepared by a particular manufacturer) will cause us to research that particular mixture and find another manufacturer (with its own mixture) of that vaccine.





A multi valent vaccine for x, y, and z is like canned chicken soup; each manufacturer will have its own recipe, sources of ingredients, and manufacturing process. If I have an adverse reaction to this can of chicken soup, it could be chicken, that particular source of chicken, how the manufacturer processed the chicken, or the source of savory in the poultry seasoning in that can of chicken soup.

I space out Calvin's shots (one is the Parvo, Distemper and the other is the Rabies), but they are 3 year vaccines. However, a 7 in 1, I wouldn't do it to Calvin.

NOW, if it was the good stuff, ... nevur mind! ... :B


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After almost losing our bloodhound from too many vaccinations at once, I am not a fan of the 7 in 1 protocol. I think Susan's rotation idea is a good one, as do all the vets at the practice we us.

Over vaccination is a real issue with real effects. Multi disease shots are a bigger stressor to the system than single shots.

I'd just keep with the three year schedule or go to a one shot per year rotation (distemper, parvo, rabies, one each year). I doubt the vet is going to beat you up over this, and if he does, you can always pepper spray him :B

I do titers annually and only booster what I need to. A number of Internal Medicine Veterinarians are beginning to come out on the side of we are over vaccinating our pets. By running titers I know what he is good on and what he needs a booster on, without giving him what he doesn't need.

DOI for lepto is only 12 months. Giving it in a 7 way is not the most effective. I would give the core vaccines every 3 years (or more) and give lepto 4 way every year if lepto is an exposure issue for your dog.

We get 6 in 1 plus kennel cough and rattle snake. Of course we also get rabies. Since we do travel and our dog uses dog runs in RV parks I think it is a good idea. I'm going to ask our vet about 7 in 1.