Park in the road? Get Hit! Duh...

The Texan wrote:
Like I said back on page 1, the facts at the scene do NOT support all the BS being said, or the OP in any way shape or form. There will be no other citation, as the vehicle was off the road as far as physically possible and the striking vehicle was NOT attentive to her driving. It happened just a few blocks from my residence and as a retired LEO, those are the fact I saw at the scene and the report from a friend on the local PD.

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msmith1199 wrote:

jdog wrote:
Does anybody know what it is like to come up on someone stopped in the roadway with no brake lights on? You don't realize that the idiot is stopped until you are on top of them or in this case underneath them because they are sitting there with out the brakes on, NO STOP LIGHTS lite up!

You can't depend on brake lights. They are a warning device. You still have to look out for objects in the road.

O.K.

DSteiner51 wrote:
According to the video at 17 seconds the couple had pulled off the side of the road. One thing that ticks me off is all the "experts" who always know all the facts when they have absolutely no clue and are so ready to condem someone that they know absolutely nothing about.

The moderators should lock this type thread after the very first post so it can be used only for actual information instead of pages of pure Bull S***.

Normally I would agree with your assessment of people not knowing all the facts. And yes the newscaster in the video does say they pulled off to the side of the road. However, in this case we have some pretty conclusive video of the crash scene which even shows orange spray paint marking exactly where the tires came to rest after impact. The truck and trailer both are clearly fully in the traffic lane and fully blocking said traffic lane. This leaves us with one of three possible scenarios. One, they in fact pulled onto the gravel shoulder. The car that hit them drifted onto the gravel shoulder and struck the truck and trailer and knocked them both into the traffic lane. This scenario doesn't seem likely and the video of the scene does not support it. Scenario number two is the truck and trailer pulled off the side of the road and the accident occurred there. The police then arrived and moved the truck and trailer back on to the road and then for some reason used orange paint to mark the locations of the tires where they placed them. Again, no chance this happened as it doesn't make sense at all. Or scenario number three the truck and trailer were stopped completely blocking the traffic lane and then were struck by the other car. In my expert opinion, that is what happened. And yes I am an expert in traffic accident investigations.

I see it all the time driving 500k in 3 years. The most important thing to do when driving is to MAINTAIN DISTANCE.
There is so many people on the road distracted with so many other things not to mention those who want to drive everyone driving slower than them off the road. The problems seems to be getting worse higher speeds allowed and a complete lack of any enforcement. I don't blame cops for not making traffic stop hell the same collisions happen as posted happen to them on the side of the road.

Some of us argue for the sake of arguing while some with sense suggested waiting for the full story to come out. Whoever is in the area where it happened may enlighten us after all is said and done. All together now; deep breath!!

My oh my, why get your shorts in a wad… your right there is a lot not known and on the TV news report they say the couple pulled to the side of the road…

But actually there is a lot of picture evidence that they didn’t… all 6 wheel of the combo unit are still on the roadway and aligned pretty straight except for the camper body… it also appears the combo unit itself didn’t move very much from the accident (except for the egg body getting knocked off its chassis)…
I believe that because the left rear of the Toyota truck had damage to the left rear fender and it appears the red shattered taillight lens is on the ground still just a little behind the truck as it sits on the roadway… sure it’s hard to say for sure but that’s how it looks to me… also the tongue looks detached but was that form the accident or the hitch problem, or is it even detached with the crash being enough to knock the wheel off it might just look that way…

Yep there are a lot of assumptions in threads like this but the discussion brings out thoughts and opinions that someone might find interesting or thought provoking and that can’t be all bad…

Of course none of us know why…
why were they not completely off the road somewhere safe…
why didn’t the other driver see them and avoid hitting them…

Like I said back on page 1, the facts at the scene do NOT support all the BS being said, or the OP in any way shape or form. There will be no other citation, as the vehicle was off the road as far as physically possible and the striking vehicle was NOT attentive to her driving. It happened just a few blocks from my residence and as a retired LEO, those are the fact I saw at the scene and the report from a friend on the local PD.

According to the video at 17 seconds the couple had pulled off the side of the road. One thing that ticks me off is all the "experts" who always know all the facts when they have absolutely no clue and are so ready to condem someone that they know absolutely nothing about.

The moderators should lock this type thread after the very first post so it can be used only for actual information instead of pages of pure Bull S***.

Francesca Knowles wrote:

jdog wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

jdog wrote:
Does anybody know what it is like to come up on someone stopped in the roadway with no brake lights on? You don't realize that the idiot is stopped until you are on top of them or in this case underneath them because they are sitting there with out the brakes on, NO STOP LIGHTS lite up!

Not true, if you are truly a defensive driver you are looking well down the road and can realize that these is traffic not moving in time to stop.
Most drivers now days only watch about two car lengths in front of themselves,real easy to not see a car until it is too late that way.

Not true at all! I have had it happen! You think they are moving. Have someone come at you and see what happens. Your speed + their speed, things happen faster.

Again repeating that I do NOT dispute the ticket issued so far:

I understand and agree with what jdog is saying. As I see it, the problem here was that the human brain sees what it EXPECTS to see, especially in a much-repeated situation. A cow in the road is unexpected, so one reacts immediately. A car in the road is the norm...and WHO would expect that the car would be at a dead stop? NO ONE.

The time it takes to register that the very usual object is engaged in a very unusual behavior is the difference between hitting it and missing it.

Too bad that one of the two folks with the trailer didn't have the presence of mind to show themselves behind it while the other one "worked on the hitch", whatever that means. The appearance of a person there would certainly qualify as an attention-getter, and that one thing MIGHT have prevented this accident.

And here is where I disagree even though I agree with most of the words you said…

Operating a motor vehicle requires the driver to be alert to the usual and the unusual… it is a responsibility you accept every time to hit the ignition…

Allowing yourself to be lulled into a semi-conscious state is the cause of many accidents just as you say, but it in no way transfers your responsibilities to another driver who is also being irresponsible (if that is what they were)…

From everything I see in the pictures the camper was blocking the whole lane and apparently both passengers were out of the TV… I don’t know if they had or didn’t have their 4 way flashers on… hitch trouble and a Scamp trailer… I don’t know as I said if the trailer came off the ball, or the hitch broke and maybe pulled the power cord out of if the trailer or had its emergency brakes pin pulled (assuming the scamps have brakes)…

I also know there was a very lone and straight stretch of road and at the 50 MPH speed limit the plowing into the back of the trailer was without a doubt due to the lack of attention of the driver that hit them…

There is practically no scenario where you should hit a stopped vehicle unless you were going too fast for the conditions or not paying close enough attention, in either case you and only you are responsible for your actions or your inactions…

Francesca Knowles wrote:

jdog wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

jdog wrote:
Does anybody know what it is like to come up on someone stopped in the roadway with no brake lights on? You don't realize that the idiot is stopped until you are on top of them or in this case underneath them because they are sitting there with out the brakes on, NO STOP LIGHTS lite up!

Not true, if you are truly a defensive driver you are looking well down the road and can realize that these is traffic not moving in time to stop.
Most drivers now days only watch about two car lengths in front of themselves,real easy to not see a car until it is too late that way.

Not true at all! I have had it happen! You think they are moving. Have someone come at you and see what happens. Your speed + their speed, things happen faster.

Again repeating that I do NOT dispute the ticket issued so far:

I understand and agree with what jdog is saying. As I see it, the problem here was that the human brain sees what it EXPECTS to see, especially in a much-repeated situation. A cow in the road is unexpected, so one reacts immediately. A car in the road is the norm...and WHO would expect that the car would be at a dead stop? NO ONE.

The time it takes to register that the very usual object is engaged in a very unusual behavior is the difference between hitting it and missing it.

Too bad that one of the two folks with the trailer didn't have the presence of mind to show themselves behind it while the other one "worked on the hitch", whatever that means. The appearance of a person there would certainly qualify as an attention-getter, and that one thing MIGHT have prevented this accident.

No one expects a stopped car in the road? Well I can't speak for everybody, but don't count me in the no one. I come across stopped cars in the road almost all the time. If you drive on a freeway in California you're going to come up on stopped traffic. Just yesterday on the way home from work on the two lane back road I take, I came across a pickup truck stopped in the lane of traffic just like the vehicle in this accident. I didn't run into the back of him. I saw he was stopped and I slowed and went around. I would hope that EVERY ONE that drives anticipates stopped vehicles in the road and does their best not to run into them.