12 Volt Screw In Light Bulb Say Adios...In California

time2roll wrote:

gkainz wrote:
why is it that one category of beliefs says "I don't like that light build, so I'm not going to buy it",
while the other side of the belief system says "I don't like that light bulb, so nobody gets to buy it"?

And the third side says this bulb is so wasteful we need to save those resources for other items.

Similar with moving from 5 gallons/flush to 1.6 gallons/flush toilet.
There just is no longer the excess resources to continue without change.

I don't have any problem with conserving water but my water saving toilet uses more water than the older models it replaced. It takes from four to seven flushes to do its job with and solid material. Everyone that visits is warned to flush early and often to avoid a plugged toilet.

I think this is a general problem. I have a gas can that spills gas in order to avoid releasing vapor and a gas fireplace that required me to buy a generator to use it as an emergency heat source in electrical outages because pilot lights were outlawed.

Things that sound good for the environment and are supposed to advance good principles are put in place without testing and often make things worse.

SidecarFlip wrote:

time2roll wrote:

gkainz wrote:
why is it that one category of beliefs says "I don't like that light build, so I'm not going to buy it",
while the other side of the belief system says "I don't like that light bulb, so nobody gets to buy it"?

And the third side says this bulb is so wasteful we need to save those resources for other items.

Similar with moving from 5 gallons/flush to 1.6 gallons/flush toilet.
There just is no longer the excess resources to continue without change.

Maybe not out there where the water is 'drying up' so to speak, but up here in the Great Lakes states, a 5 gallon flush is fine thank you.

No you cannot have ours (water), you want to live there, deal with it.

There is something interestingly wrong with folks who intentionally moved and built in the desert (KNOWING that water is hard to find in a desert), then wine about the lack of water :S ..

Then they start stealing water from adjacent states then attempt to regulate all the other states water in order to justify the bad things they did..

Regulate everyone into the ground and eventually you have nothing left for the common "little people" to use since it will all be "sacred resources" that only the "regulators" can use..

I listened in on a National Public Radio broadcast* that had a guest from the Sierra Club and another From (friends of the earth?). Both stated that lobbying was continuing to effect a ban on recreational vehicles in "sensitive ecological areas" National Parks, National Wildlife Reserves.

*thanks to a CCrane AM radio. The signal faded after an hour but I believe it was "KPBS"

Only a moron would continue to burn incandescent lamps when cheaper to operate diode or irradiating alternatives are available. It's called intrinsic control. There will be more platoons of state Hall Monitors earning $60K per year whose job it is to "make sure" some nefarious person does not smuggle light bulbs into California via the internet.

I have emergency 24 volt regular light bulbs in the generator shed. They MUST come on when the switch is thrown. No quirks, no glitches, no excuses. And these bulbs too will be banned. I suppose I can give China a few hundred dollars and purchase CREE 10-30 volt LED lamps. And they are not flood. Try and find a REGULATED 24-volt LED floodlight.

I do not have $60,000 per year to pay for electric consumption like Mr. Global Warming. Or buy a magic seashore mansion that will submarine when the ocean floods coastal areas. I am not a government employee who chants Carbon Tax! Carbon Credits! While purchasing tens of thousands of dollars of personal energy waste on a government credit card.

My personal energy use is most like one-hundredth that of chanting extremists who demand control over my life and time. When THEY learn to consume SEVENTY FIVE KILOWATTS OF ELECTRICITY PER MONTH - then come lecture me.

Seventy dollars to visit a National Park is an outrage. Let's make a deal. Allow people free access to National Parks if they are willing to donate 50 hours of personal labor (physical) improving trails, and maintaining lake level control dams. Chanting and physical labor are not compatible it seems.

Do more with less. Repair, refurbish, not replace. Screw recycling expensive electronics, make things modular and repairable. I just fitted this rental house with LED lamps I designed from scratch. I wear long sleeve shirts inside rather than burn used dinosaurs. The paper towels and trash cash contents do not appreciate being at 70F.

Why don't household refrigerators have integral brushless ball bearing fans blowing across the condenser. I just modified the Sears used REPAIRED refrigerator three months ago and it cuts energy consumption by fourteen percent.

"Hell No We Won't Go!" Wait that's not the one. "Sue that volcano!" Wait that doesn't work either. If aliens are monitoring this stuff they won't visit because they're probably afraid of laughing themselves to death.

time2roll wrote:

gkainz wrote:
why is it that one category of beliefs says "I don't like that light build, so I'm not going to buy it",
while the other side of the belief system says "I don't like that light bulb, so nobody gets to buy it"?

And the third side says this bulb is so wasteful we need to save those resources for other items.

Similar with moving from 5 gallons/flush to 1.6 gallons/flush toilet.
There just is no longer the excess resources to continue without change.

Maybe not out there where the water is 'drying up' so to speak, but up here in the Great Lakes states, a 5 gallon flush is fine thank you.

No you cannot have ours (water), you want to live there, deal with it.

Mex
Tell us more about banning rv's. Any links?

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
Granola has fruit and nuts. Forgot about it in the cupboard. Thanks for reminding me. I'll heap it on my insecticide contaminated oats.

Ain't it great -- people watching in California?

HURRY !! ......call your kin folk, neighbors, and acquaintances!
Tell 'em to head SOUTH to join you in MX, before the wall is built by the LIC.

Ditto you folks from the other 49.
Ask *WHY* they keep moving to CA (they do) when there are other options??


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Ancient proverb: "It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness."

Updated version: "It is a lot more fun to curse the darkness while cranking up the floodlights."

Sounding (as usual) like Pollyanna, I am not thrilled that the government is taking away my choices. But I am delighted by the evolution of the warm-white screw-in LED bulb for home use -- it is far more durable than the old incandescents, and the color temp is great.

And you have to wonder whether the mass-market LED bulb would have progressed as fast as it has, were it not for regulatory pressure to reduce wattage. Maybe it would have -- no way to know.

MOST IMPORTANTLY THIS IS ABOUT
TWELVE VOLT
LIGHT BULBS WITH THE A24 BASE

They serve a purpose a GREEN purpose in this case. But because they are RACIALLY PROFILED along with screw in 120vac light bulbs, the liberals have eliminated them from people's hands.

Man, you'd think the OP lives in California as much as he complains about their way of doing things.

I cannot change my HMO with my existing health conditions and my HMO exists only in California. So I am forced to orbit around that nightmare. My mail MUST be based there. I am forced by LOGISTICS to shop there.

Birds of a feather, flock together. California, leads the other 49 by a few years. Monkey Sea Monkey Dew. Whenever faced with a problem raise taxes and legislator's paychecks and perks. They're shooting for as high as SEVENTY DOLLAR entry fees for National Parks, and some groups are lobbying HARD to have recreational vehicles BANNED.

joebedford wrote:
I for one am glad incandescents are disappearing. LEDs are cheaper in the long run. I have no need to keep a light on my batteries.

:R

Cheaper?

At what cost?

Sure, perhaps they do make a bit more light and less heat but in reality they cost more to manufacture and use TONS of highly toxic materials to make them.

Just a small list of some of the materials used in making LEDs..

"A semiconductor is a crystalline material that conducts electricity only when there is a high density of impurities in it. The slice, or wafer, of semiconductor is a single uniform crystal, and the impurities are introduced later during the manufacturing process. Think of the wafer as a cake that is mixed and baked in a prescribed manner, and impurities as nuts suspended in the cake. The particular semiconductors used for LED manufacture are gallium arsenide (GaAs), gallium phosphide (GaP), or gallium arsenide phosphide (GaAsP). The different semiconductor materials (called substrates) and different impurities result in different colors of light from the LED.

Impurities, the nuts in the cake, are introduced later in the manufacturing process; unlike imperfections, they are introduced deliberately to make the LED function correctly. This process is called doping. The impurities commonly added are zinc or nitrogen, but silicon, germanium, and tellurium have also been used. As mentioned previously, they will cause the semiconductor to conduct electricity and will make the LED function as an electronic device. It is through the impurities that a layer with an excess or a deficit of electrons can be created."


Found HERE

The processing uses considerable amount of energy (electricity) to make semiconductors, creates bunches of hazardous materials in gasses and solids that need proper handling and disposal..

Even then when the LEDs fail, you WILL end up putting all those dead LED bulbs in normal trash so now we get to pollute landfills even more with "E-waste".

Waste a lot of energy and raw materials and create tons of hazardous materials to create a product that costs more to buy all in the hopes to save a couple of pennies of electricity and a few ounces of CO at a remote power plant.. :S :h


I am not against LEDs, but being FORCED to buy something on the pretense that it is "better for the environment" when in the bigger pix it is not any better when you look at the overall process.

But NO ONE wants to talk or listen about the side effects and pitfalls around here.

Put you fingers in your ears and repeat loudly "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA"

gkainz wrote:
why is it that one category of beliefs says "I don't like that light build, so I'm not going to buy it",
while the other side of the belief system says "I don't like that light bulb, so nobody gets to buy it"?

And the third side says this bulb is so wasteful we need to save those resources for other items.

Similar with moving from 5 gallons/flush to 1.6 gallons/flush toilet.
There just is no longer the excess resources to continue without change.