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Jun 04, 2015

Counter weight for added back storage area/deck

We recently purchased this travel trailer, that had this back storage area on it. We use it to carry firewood and misc things..

My husband was changing the tires and laying underneath the trailer and found a compartment that was made - full of bags of cement equalling 600 lbs.. we are assuming the previous owner did this as a counter weight for the added storage area... the 600 lbs just seems extreme to us. We pull with a Tahoe, and it does ok, but we really expected it to do better pulling it.

Looking for opinions on the weight, how much if any you would need for a storage box that size, and if the 600 pounds seems like too much to anyone else? https://www.flickr.com/photos/133031534@N03/shares/3755A7

thanks!

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We use it to carry firewood and misc things..

My husband was changing the tires and laying underneath the trailer and found a compartment that was made - full of bags of cement equalling 600 lbs.. we are assuming the previous owner did this as a counter weight for the added storage area... the 600 lbs just seems extreme to us. We pull with a Tahoe, and it does ok, but we really expected it to do better pulling it.

Looking for opinions on the weight, how much if any you would need for a storage box that size, and if the 600 pounds seems like too much to anyone else? https://www.flickr.com/photos/133031534@N03/shares/3755A7

thanks! ","body@stringLength":"974","rawBody":"We recently purchased this travel trailer, that had this back storage area on it. We use it to carry firewood and misc things..

My husband was changing the tires and laying underneath the trailer and found a compartment that was made - full of bags of cement equalling 600 lbs.. we are assuming the previous owner did this as a counter weight for the added storage area... the 600 lbs just seems extreme to us. We pull with a Tahoe, and it does ok, but we really expected it to do better pulling it.

Looking for opinions on the weight, how much if any you would need for a storage box that size, and if the 600 pounds seems like too much to anyone else? https://www.flickr.com/photos/133031534@N03/shares/3755A7

thanks! 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rbpru wrote:
Perhaps it is my TT and TV combo but I have towed it heavily loaded with the fresh water tank full and enough stuff for a six weeks trip across the country; or a lightly loaded two week jaunt.

The only adjustment I make is a chain link or so to keep the TT level.

Others seem to have great difficulties with sway etc. I believe you simply have to load up and see what you combo does.
Has your TT been highly modified in a manner that will drastically change the weight balance that it had when it left the factory?

The OPs has. And since I doubt it's previous owner loaded 600# of concrete on it for thr heck of it.... It is very likely that he had a scary sway moment.

For those of us that have experienced this, we know how serious it is.
In my case I wrote about earlier, it was like a switch had been flipped. It went from perfectly fine to Oh **** in an instant. This not something that you want to experiment with.

Now most all manufacturers are well aware of the balance requirements needed and design their TTs accordingly. So with a STOCK TT it will normally take some unusual effort on the owners part for the unit to end up with a dangerously light TW.

TH OP needs to get the TT scaled,(loaded for a trip) getting all weights. He should be prepared for what will probably be some shocking numbers. The balance is likely OK with all of the concrete on board, but the overall weight will likely be over it's ratings. The axles and tires are almost assuradly overloaded.
With this info in hand, he can then decide how to proceed.
There are options. Upgrading axles and tires, packing lighter, removing the concrete and replacing this weight with gear that will be coming anyways...Or even removing the platform/box and going back to stock. And yes in this case a sherline TW scale is almost a necessity....
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rbpru wrote:
Perhaps it is my TT and TV combo but I have towed it heavily loaded with the fresh water tank full and enough stuff for a six weeks trip across the country; or a lightly loaded two week jaunt.

The only adjustment I make is a chain link or so to keep the TT level.

Others seem to have great difficulties with sway etc. I believe you simply have to load up and see what you combo does.


Again I would like to CAUTION folks to reconsider doing something like this simply have to load up and see what you combo does. This can be a catastrophic mistake and to illustrate this the following is a first hand verbatim quote from a post several years ago on the RVision site by a gent that is worth remembering ...

Thread title Don't let this happen to you
My wife and I recently left Lakeside campground in Arizona and discovered that the dump station was closed because the septic tank was full. I decided to drive on home and deal with the waste tanks when I got home to Phoenix. I've never traveled with 40 gallons of water in my grey and black tanks before and I did not realize the danger I was in. My 8263s is already a little heavy in the back with the kitchen and bath and the 40 gallons of water made it very unsafe.

Long story short, I totaled my truck and trailer last Sunday on highway 260 east of Payson, AZ. No one was hurt - not even a scratch

By the time I could reach down and hit the trailer brake, it was too late. The trailer went into a skid and whipped us around 180 degrees and then we slammed into the guard rail.

I've logged over 5,000 miles with this truck and trailer combination in all kinds of weather, road and traffic. Making the mistake of not finding a place to dump the tanks changed the whole dynamic of the trailer.

I know there will be a lot of you who will think \"duh\" no kidding idiot. That will be a fair response.

Most accidents happen when we don't thoroughly think through the ramifications of what seems like a simple decision.

This is my first and last post to this site. I offer it with hopes that it may save a life.



Did I have a sway control bar? Yes. Was it cranked down tight enough, probably not.

Why didn't I accelerate? There were cars ahead of me.

Was I speeding? No, 60 mph in a 65 mph zone.

Tow vehicle? Nissan Titan.


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The only adjustment I make is a chain link or so to keep the TT level.

Others seem to have great difficulties with sway etc. I believe you simply have to load up and see what you combo does.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-05T20:10:42.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-05T20:10:42.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":576},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1829980/message:1830014","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1830013":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1830013","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1830013":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:156485"},"id":"message:1830013","revisionNum":1,"uid":1830013,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1829980"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1829980"},"subject":"Re: Counter weight for added back storage area/deck","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1830013"},"body":"
Muddydogs wrote:
How about an easy way to solve your problem? Load the trailer and rear storage like you want to, leave the cement at home. Go camping this weekend and see how it tows. If the trailer tows fine which it should unless you go crazy with the weight in the rear storage area then problem solved. If by chance it doesn't tow so well then move some of the wood you carry to the back of the tow rig or front of the trailer, have fun camping and rethink the problem before the next trip. Carrying 600 pounds or cement for ballast is just crazy no matter how you look at it, if you need that much weight to balance out the trailer then one would need to rethink what you really need to carry while camping.

Can you use the ballast compartment for storage of the little used items?


I would STRONGLY RECOMMEND AGAINST THAT ... towing a seriously out of whack trailer even for 10 miles could end you up in a ditch or worse. This is something you want to do any experimenting with facts known to you and in this case buying and using a Sherline tongue scale is a no brainer and anything less IMO is not prudent and bordering on reckless.

I also like the idea of installing an extra FW tank to act as a variable ballest that can be adjusted even while on the road.

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People do a lot of strange thing to \"improve\" their TT.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-05T15:55:12.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-05T15:55:12.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":277},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1829980/message:1830012","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:347172":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:347172","uid":347172,"login":"gmw_photos","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2011-12-11T06:15:01.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:347172"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1830011":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1830011","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1830011":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:347172"},"id":"message:1830011","revisionNum":1,"uid":1830011,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1829980"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1829980"},"subject":"Re: Counter weight for added back storage area/deck","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1830011"},"body":"well, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned this: take the concrete out. That takes care of the ballast in the front. Now walk to the back of the trailer, and take the rack off and send the metal to the recycle center. Problem solved. Trailer will probably tow well, and the whole thing will weight less.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-05T15:14:01.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-05T15:14:01.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":230},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1829980/message:1830011","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1830010":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1830010","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1830010":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:225976"},"id":"message:1830010","revisionNum":1,"uid":1830010,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1829980"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1829980"},"subject":"Re: Counter weight for added back storage area/deck","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1830010"},"body":"
peirek wrote:
Really surprised no one has mentioned or questioned the axle and tire capacities against this \"new\" load.
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Say you have the generator on the back and fill a water tank or wood box up front. While after camping for a weekend and using the water or wood your counter balance is now gone and you still have a generator on the back.

If you are going to change it into usable storage, I would make sure it wasn't consumable items. Items you take with you each and every trip. Then your counter balance will be there on both ends of your trip. Also storing the same gear will give you a known and consistent weight of the counter balance.

I would also listen to a few others and hit the weight scales. I think a counter balance will most likely be needed for safety and maybe piece of mind but 600 lbs seems like a lot. 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