Diesel Brothers

ShinerBock wrote:
I also think it is a bit ironic that the government is cracking down on diesel brothers yet Elon Musk can blast all those Kerosene(#1 diesel fuel) rockets in the air each one worth the emissions of hundreds of thousands of these trucks. I guess if you have enough money and lobby the right people, then you have free reign to make your own rules and do as you please.

I am sure the rocket has a catalytic converter and particulate filter ;)

Otherwise how else do commercial and military systems get into orbit?

OTOH those diesels rolling coal have NO PURPOSE WHATSOEVER except to waste fuel, irritate other drivers, pollute, cause traffic hazard.

Someday you will see the difference in having an actual purpose in life vs. just wrecking havoc for fun.

Pathetic and sad.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:
I think if the GUVMENT requirez uz to have all this equipment on our trucks they should maintainz it.


You comment is not really worth a reply except to say it smacks of ignorance on your part.

Thanks, nice you feel the need to call names.

BTW you should put " around what "I" said.

It was so adolescent , why repeat it . You seem to be making a habit of speaking like that , might want to give it some thought. Might just prevent the replies you get .

Hey sidecar came out of hibernation....
What woke ya up, sidecar? Heavy D rollin coal past your bedroom window?

You and your KC daylighters sure seem personally offended by them!

SidecarFlip wrote:


Maybe wrong, maybe right. 2012 is Tier 4 which essentially means no visible particulates emitted from the tail pipe. Once you did the 'delete' you violated the Federal Clean Air Standard for your vehicle so you assume all liability and conversely, the resale value has dropped as well. You may pass it off to another owner but if it don't pass emissions testing down the road, or the next owner is subject to the opacity test and fails, the liability comes right back on you as the 'deleter'. How it works, like it or not.

My 2007 7.3 is a Tier 2 engine. I blows minimal particulates but because it's a Tier 2 emissions engine, that is acceptable. Yours however is not.

Getting tired of isn't getting it repaired correctly. You took the easy way out, nothing more.

What are you going to do when the tier levels go out the window and you have to get your vehicles(old or not) up to current emissions requirements. It is already happening to commercial vehicles in some states.

I still find it funny that people don't even know the permitted emissions numbers are or their impacts and yet they will blindly follow whatever the EPA tells them. If you only knew how and why the EPA comes up with their BS numbers and how they forced manufacturers to create the DEF industry and more fuel used all to save .08 g/bhp-hr in NOx. That is nothing compared to the plastic jug trash it created along with worse fuel economy, plants dedicated to make DEF, and fleets of truck to deliver it.

The PM emissions difference between tier 2(.2 g/bhp-hr) and tier 4(.02 g/bhp-hr) is .18 g/bhp-hr. That's it. In fact, due to high pressure common rail, ULSD, VGT's and multi-fire injectors, even a deleted tier 4 diesel emits less PM than your old 2001 on a clean tune that does not dump fuel. But hey, the EPA is not political or corrupt and they know what is best for you so by all means just do as they say without question. Not saying everything they do is wrong, but not all of their decisions are in the best interest of people and are more influenced by money, power, and special interest.

Heck, even Clinton and Obama had to slap the EPA's hand(under Carol Browner) a time or two for going too far. She made many regulations while she was in power based on her activist beliefs rather than what the EPA's own scientist stated on multiple occasions. She was also behind the Animus River cover up when the EPA turned it orange making it toxic for months. She was known for cooking the books just to get her way and for self-preservation.

SidecarFlip wrote:
Like the lights, all about accountability and common sense. If I was LE, I'd be wailing through ticket books nailing inconsiderate people with illegal 'off road use' only light bars running them on public streets and highways.

Far as exhaust opacity concerning diesel engines is concerned, the Federal Department of Transportation already has guidelines and regulations in place as well as testing equipment for big trucks that can be used for pickup trucks as well.

Really simple equipment that measure ambient light transmission through the exhaust stream of an engine. The test sequences is as follows... The sensing modules are set up parallel to the exhaust and the operator is instructed to throttle up the engine to maximum governed speed (floor the fuel pedal) and the exhaust stream is measured for visible particulates (smoke) and those tests are compared to the Tier requirement for that particular build year (because not every diesel engine on the road today is a Tier 4 final engine). If the measured visible particulate output is above the requirement for that build year, the operator / owner has to bring the vehicle into compliance and at the official's decision if the vehicle has to be repaired on the spot or if the owner or operator can drive away and get it repaired at another location.

Besides getting cited for non compliance, you get a hefty fine.

How it works and the test can be administered anywhere, weigh station, rest stop or in a truck stop for that matter... anywhere. The equipment is completely portable and does not require specialized training, IOW, anyone can administer the test.

I'm not a tree hugger but stupid is still stupid.

In Ontario this is called a "stab test". Three times foot to the floor and they take a weighted average. Not a big deal unless you don't abuse your truck once in a while, have heard rumour of guys bricking their engines who take it easy with them or in bad repair. I have a portable unit come to my office, takes a half hour.

I also think it is a bit ironic that the government is cracking down on diesel brothers yet Elon Musk can blast all those Kerosene(#1 diesel fuel) rockets in the air each one worth the emissions of hundreds of thousands of these trucks. I guess if you have enough money and lobby the right people, then you have free reign to make your own rules and do as you please.

Then you have Elon and all the rest of those movie stars/entertainers/sports players fly around in their private jets, helicopters; have exotic cars and yachts living in multiple houses telling use that we should not pollute the air they breathe. That we have to pay extra for these emissions equipment for their clean air. Each one of them probably put more carbon and NOx in the air then hundreds of the diesel brothers yet the diesel brothers are the bad guys here. Go figure.... :h

It happens a couple of times every year. Out on a back road with a group of up to 10 road riders, single file getting a good workout. We get passed by most often an older style Ram with a younger male driver, "Rollin coal" as he traverses our group. Nothing we can do but continue riding when as a cyclist, you take life as it unfolds when sharing the road with motor vehicles.

I figure this type of person has a bit of an attitude and probably ,"Rolls Coal" often just because they think it,s funny. I am sure that this kind of person makes up only a small percentage of chipped diesel owners.

Dave

SidecarFlip wrote:
I think if the GUVMENT requirez uz to have all this equipment on our trucks they should maintainz it.


You comment is not really worth a reply except to say it smacks of ignorance on your part.

Thanks, nice you feel the need to call names.

BTW you should put " around what "I" said.

I think if the GUVMENT requirez uz to have all this equipment on our trucks they should maintainz it.


You comment is not really worth a reply except to say it smacks of ignorance on your part.

NOx is actually not an issue if you are not an a heavily populated area. And when I say heavily populated I mean millions. For example, San Antonio has never had high NOx level days to warrant any health issues until it reach a population of 2 million people and even thin it is only only select days in the summer when the temp is above 100F. In urban areas where it does not stagnate, NOx dissipates into the upper ozone where it is actually good for the environment since it is an ozone gas

So unless you live in these areas, your NOx output is not hurting anyone. However, since it is much harder for the EPA to control what vehicles get sold where, it is easier for them to just apply all standards to everyone even though people like me do not live in these big cities. Basically, I have to put up with these emissions controls simply because it is easier for the EPA to mandate the manufacturer than mandate the people. I say, force people to move away from big cities than force me to have these devices. That would actually be much better for the environment than some of the NOx limit rules. If you look at air pollution maps, cities that are more spread out have less air quality pollution.

FYI, NOx should not be confused with CO and CO2 which are mainly emitted by gas engines, not diesel. Since these do not dissipate like NOx, it doesn't matter where the are emitted to cause harm to the environment.