Electric vehicle mandate in California

time2roll wrote:

pigman1 wrote:
For all those considering a small generator to charge their EV, OMG the pollution. I thought they were concerned about lawn mowers? And cows farting and burping? And now everyone will need a generator (running on gasoline/diesel) so they can drive to work.

If the power is out what will you do at work? If the power is on at work you would have the ability to charge there or en route.

You are assuming companies do not have back up power generators. Many places like hospitals, large grocery stores, hotels, data centers, call centers, schools, factories, and so on have back up power generators. I used to work on the power gen side of Cummins for a short while and you would be surprised how many companies have back up generators or a mobile unit that can be used if needed.

pigman1 wrote:
For all those considering a small generator to charge their EV, OMG the pollution. I thought they were concerned about lawn mowers? And cows farting and burping? And now everyone will need a generator (running on gasoline/diesel) so they can drive to work.

If the power is out what will you do at work? If the power is on at work you would have the ability to charge there or en route.

The topic is electric vehicles.

Lynnmor wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

mich800 wrote:

That's is a serious messed up regulation if you cannot use off road fuel in all off road equipment in Texas.

It has to do with taxes since red diesel has no sales tax applied to it. You can legally run it in a generator if you have the proper tax exempt registration like we do at the farm, but not as a general home owner.

But only if you are using the generator for a legitimate farm purpose, correct?

Correct. You have to use it for farm use at least some of the time and/or for whatever reason we stated on our AP-197 dyed fuel registration form.

Texas Tax Exemptions for Agriculture

Keep in mind that Texas does not have an income tax so sales and land tax is mainly how it makes its money so rules around these taxes may differ from some of the other states. The tax on our fuel is not just used for roads and therefor it is not seen as just a "road tax" here as it is in other states.

Lynnmor wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

mich800 wrote:

That's is a serious messed up regulation if you cannot use off road fuel in all off road equipment in Texas.

It has to do with taxes since red diesel has no sales tax applied to it. You can legally run it in a generator if you have the proper tax exempt registration like we do at the farm, but not as a general home owner.

But only if you are using the generator for a legitimate farm purpose, correct?

It's the ROAD USE TAX. When power in our area went out for 8 days and I pumped water for uncounted neighbors, friends, and yes, strangers, no one was too concerned about the color of the fuel in the tractor driving the generator. Or should the government hire a bunch of inspectors to look in everyone's generator tank? Quick, raise the taxes to pay for them.

For all those considering a small generator to charge their EV, OMG the pollution. I thought they were concerned about lawn mowers? And cows farting and burping? And now everyone will need a generator (running on gasoline/diesel) so they can drive to work. Yep, That's real deep thinking. All these fools have their own axe to grind, refuse to even think about tomorrow, let alone 10 years down the road, and refuse to consider reasonable compromise, because they think their stupid idea is the only one that works. (Quick, I need to go down to the gas station for generator fuel)

ShinerBock wrote:

mich800 wrote:

That's is a serious messed up regulation if you cannot use off road fuel in all off road equipment in Texas.

It has to do with taxes since red diesel has no sales tax applied to it. You can legally run it in a generator if you have the proper tax exempt registration like we do at the farm, but not as a general home owner.

But only if you are using the generator for a legitimate farm purpose, correct?

All interesting discussion. My Bolt EV now has 4750 miles. It is one of six vehicles in the fleet. It makes sense for local driving. It is not environment thing since I can see the coal going into the power plant within 10 miles of my porch. The reason I have it is because I needed a daily driver for one of the family members. It does not get roadtrip miles, as Michigan does not have a great charger network where I go, from where I live.

As a side note, it will beat a F350 diesel in a drag race.

Around here, I still had to pay sales tax, but the dyed fuel pay no road tax. And I have seen them set up to sample the fuel in pickups in farm country.
For disaster evacuation, are we assuming that now, anybody that owns a EV will only have 1 car in the family? And by the time the mandate is in place rapid chargers will not be widespread?

mich800 wrote:

That's is a serious messed up regulation if you cannot use off road fuel in all off road equipment in Texas.

It has to do with taxes since red diesel has no sales tax applied to it. You can legally run it in a generator if you have the proper tax exempt registration like we do at the farm, but not as a general home owner.

mich800 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

time2roll wrote:
I can't imagine why red is illegal in a generator. Yes if you get mandated into an EV you may need to buy another generator.

It depends on the state. Some do, some don't.

I live in Texas where there are not a lot of progressives that like to use law to force their ideology down other peoples throat regardless if they can afford it or not. Well, it happens in some of the cities like Austin, but it is not state wide. Also, our pollution is not as bad as southern California since we have more land and less people.

BEV's is not the best for everything just like ICE is not the best for everything. You need both since they have their pros/cons and especially so if the carbon to fuel technology becomes more prevalent to pay for reducing the carbon that is already in the air. However, the progressives are just too narcissistic to realize that and believe their idea of forcing BEV's on everyone is lthe only way.

That's is a serious messed up regulation if you cannot use off road fuel in all off road equipment in Texas.

Shiner did say some state! I don't think Texas is one of them. Washington red fuel in off road is no an issue....UNLESS it's high sulfer, then it's an issue in cruise ships that come thru here. They have to have low sulpher in Wa state burning, the can use high sulpher once north into Canada and I believe Alaska, since that where most go to and from during summer months.
Red vs clear is mostly all low sulpher in pumps.....generally speaking mind you.
Marty