F450 vs F350 SRW payload

ACZL wrote:
I had a brain fart coming home this morning while driving about going back to a SRW 1 ton. So I looked up Ford's '20 towing ratings and given what our coach weighs w/o people in cab, I'd be right at or darn near the limits again for a SRW truck. Not saying it couldn't handle it (tow), but not a whole lot of room left for extras let alone the stability of the DRW we have now. Sadly, I admit the DRW sux in the snow, but back pocket won't allow for a SRW truck at same time w/ the DRW. Unless someone can convince me otherwise, staying w/ the DRW.

I wouldn’t ditch (figuratively) a dually just because of the snow. In fact, our next truck might be a dually and it will run in the winter.
Many things to improve a duallies performance in the slick stuff.
Most predicated on not hauling or towing heavy.
1. Lower rear tire pressure a lot. Like 20-25 psi per tire.
2. Remove inside duals. Again no heavy loads with this one. Still want low ish pressure. Make sure the outsides mount up right. This may not be a valid method depending on the rims and would be my last choice.
3. Put some real weight in back. The typical 500lbs won’t do much. Talking 1000lbs or more and lower tire pressure.
4. Get some aggressive mud tires and sipe them all the way across ( for rear only, full across siping will let the fronts get eaten up quick). Or dedicated snows or at least siped AT tires.
5. Use 4wd more. Heavy front end, skinny tires and 4wd will pull the rear end through a lot.

Bedlam wrote:
If you need more payload than the 14K lbs GVWR will offer in a F450 pickup, you can go to the F450 chassis cab with 16.5k lbs, F550 with 19.5k lbs or new F600 with with even more. The weight was chosen for classification reasons.

BTW: Ram does not make a 4500 pickup, only the chassis cab.

So why is a F450 chassis cab not following the same 4500 classification numbers that you're saying the F450 pick up is subject to? Is the F550 the same truck as the F450 just different numbers? I would expect the F550 can haul more because it is designed to haul more. If I'm buying a truck I could care less what classification it is. I want to know it is designed to carry or tow a certain weight depending on what I have in mind for the truck. There may be the odd person who wants an F450 to haul their ego around with and for that buyer the payload number may be irrelevant but most of us want to know what our trucks are actually designed to haul.

If you need more payload than the 14K lbs GVWR will offer in a F450 pickup, you can go to the F450 chassis cab with 16.5k lbs, F550 with 19.5k lbs or new F600 with with even more. The weight was chosen for classification reasons.

BTW: Ram does not make a 4500 pickup, only the chassis cab.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
I'm looking at the technical specs of the 2020 Super Duty and found the F450 4x4 has a curb weight of 8,587 lbs which is 855 lbs more than the F350 SRW crew cab long box with the 6.7 Powerstroke. The SRW long box crew cab can be equipped to have a gvwr of 12,400 lbs. The F450 has a GVWR of 14,000 lbs. The payload of the F450 appears to be only 745 lbs more than that of a SRW F350 crew cab long box.

YEP but that is "IF" you "BLINDLY" go by the 14k GVWR that is restricted to Class3 by licensing and Insurance.

Simply look at the RAWR of each. License your truck to what it actually carries and carry on.

FACT, my 15 RAM DRW has a GVWR of 14k. My SAE RAWR is 9,750#. My Factory front axle weight is 5,250# +-. So HOW IN THE HE!! can I load my rear axle to it's RAWR and NOT be overloaded???

Folks it's it's all a numbers game! FACT is my loaded weight is well over 15k. I am perfectly "LEGAL" by licensing my truck to what it's loaded weight is. Another thing to consider is my tires have lot's of capacity even at those weights.

Bottom line, use the brain GOD gave you!

I'm not buying this numbers game argument. Why would Ford publish lower payload numbers than what they feel their truck is designed for? If it was to get around registration laws I would think they would offer the lower gvwr stickers for the f450 for those who this would affect. If I'm a heavy hauler and need a truck that can handle a 6000 lbs pin and Ford tells me their F450 can only take 4500 but Ram says they can handle 6000 I'm going to buy a Ram.

ACZL wrote:
I had a brain fart coming home this morning while driving about going back to a SRW 1 ton. So I looked up Ford's '20 towing ratings and given what our coach weighs w/o people in cab, I'd be right at or darn near the limits again for a SRW truck. Not saying it couldn't handle it (tow), but not a whole lot of room left for extras let alone the stability of the DRW we have now. Sadly, I admit the DRW sux in the snow, but back pocket won't allow for a SRW truck at same time w/ the DRW. Unless someone can convince me otherwise, staying w/ the DRW.

Our 5ver is probably similar to yours at about 16000 lbs and our '17 SRW short box feels like a perfect match for it to me. I probably will skip the SRW long box and go duals if we ever get a 5ver much heavier. I tow a 25 - 30,000 lb tandem dually goose neck from time to time with my SRW as well ... it handles it ok but a dually would certainly be better.

4x4ord wrote:
I'm looking at the technical specs of the 2020 Super Duty and found the F450 4x4 has a curb weight of 8,587 lbs which is 855 lbs more than the F350 SRW crew cab long box with the 6.7 Powerstroke. The SRW long box crew cab can be equipped to have a gvwr of 12,400 lbs. The F450 has a GVWR of 14,000 lbs. The payload of the F450 appears to be only 745 lbs more than that of a SRW F350 crew cab long box.

YEP but that is "IF" you "BLINDLY" go by the 14k GVWR that is restricted to Class3 by licensing and Insurance.

Simply look at the RAWR of each. License your truck to what it actually carries and carry on.

FACT, my 15 RAM DRW has a GVWR of 14k. My SAE RAWR is 9,750#. My Factory front axle weight is 5,250# +-. So HOW IN THE HE!! can I load my rear axle to it's RAWR and NOT be overloaded???

Folks it's it's all a numbers game! FACT is my loaded weight is well over 15k. I am perfectly "LEGAL" by licensing my truck to what it's loaded weight is. Another thing to consider is my tires have lot's of capacity even at those weights.

Bottom line, use the brain GOD gave you!

rhagfo wrote:

Bedlam wrote:
Ford chose to limit the F450 pickup to 14K lbs GVWR yet has the F450 chassis cab up to 16.5k lbs. Because the F450 pickup uses heavier duty components than the F350 DRW pickup, you may actually see less payload available due to the cap that Ford put on it. I see it strictly as marketing choice rather than the actual capacity of this truck.

X2
So many states will list any truck with a GVWR greater than 14,000# as commercial with much higher registration fees and higher insurance rates.
That F450 is far more capable than the F350 SRW, anyone should be able to figure that out.

With the SRW trucks they offer a 10,000 lb GVWR option which consists of a different door post sticker to get around some of those registration laws.

IdaD wrote:
How do the axle ratings compare? Payload ratings tend to not mean much in a lot of cases. This is probably one of those cases.

Payload stickers are a better fit for 1/2T pickups, SUVs, vehicles with lesser axle ratings. With these types, when you are near the GVWR, your axle/tire limits are close, and can be over, depending how loaded.

Ford has played the GVWR game for HD pickups for many years.

Jerry

I had a brain fart coming home this morning while driving about going back to a SRW 1 ton. So I looked up Ford's '20 towing ratings and given what our coach weighs w/o people in cab, I'd be right at or darn near the limits again for a SRW truck. Not saying it couldn't handle it (tow), but not a whole lot of room left for extras let alone the stability of the DRW we have now. Sadly, I admit the DRW sux in the snow, but back pocket won't allow for a SRW truck at same time w/ the DRW. Unless someone can convince me otherwise, staying w/ the DRW.

Bedlam wrote:
Ford chose to limit the F450 pickup to 14K lbs GVWR yet has the F450 chassis cab up to 16.5k lbs. Because the F450 pickup uses heavier duty components than the F350 DRW pickup, you may actually see less payload available due to the cap that Ford put on it. I see it strictly as marketing choice rather than the actual capacity of this truck.

X2
So many states will list any truck with a GVWR greater than 14,000# as commercial with much higher registration fees and higher insurance rates.
That F450 is far more capable than the F350 SRW, anyone should be able to figure that out.