fire wood

JJBIRISH wrote:
Can you hear the crying when they just ban wood fires at CG’s because campers are too cheap to do their share and voluntarily comply…

The only real problem is it will affect all of us not just those that are too cheap to buy wood locally…

I have never had trouble buying wood locally at reasonable prices…

Searfeoss, what CG was it and when was it, and why didn’t your report it if you believe they are violating the law……

I am sure it’s one giant conspiracy and the government, CG’s and fire wood suppliers are raking the fruits of your labor and are planning to retire on some huge private Caribbean island someday… all from the lucrative profits from fire wood…:B

I DID REPORT IT, RE-READ MY POST!

And you're miss-guided because if local wood was priced reasonable few people would have a problem buying it, it may be cheaper to buy than the added weight and cost in fuel. The point of my post was to say the CG charge high prices and use this law to force people to pay the high price.

My best source of 'free' wood is when the campground allows one to collect 'dead & down' wood on site. The grounds in question would have to have a little forest/woods attached to the property, usually State campgrounds.

Once you get away from the camp site there is usually plenty of wood. A common hand 'buck saw' helps a bunch.

As to the rest of this, I feel any insects & eggs will travel in a number of ways, regardless of any firewood bands. At a recent campground one guy had wood scraps & pallet pieces. Understandably so the rule makers didn't like that idea any better than firewood transport. I believe some of these issues started with wood pallets from China.

One general rule is to not ask a question when you won't want to hear the answer.

Can you hear the crying when they just ban wood fires at CG’s because campers are too cheap to do their share and voluntarily comply…

The only real problem is it will affect all of us not just those that are too cheap to buy wood locally…

I have never had trouble buying wood locally at reasonable prices…

Searfeoss, what CG was it and when was it, and why didn’t your report it if you believe they are violating the law……

I am sure it’s one giant conspiracy and the government, CG’s and fire wood suppliers are raking the fruits of your labor and are planning to retire on some huge private Caribbean island someday… all from the lucrative profits from fire wood…:B

I buy 4" peeler logs 16" long. Already been thru the mill. No bugs. Any wood that's been processed is fine. It's the downed trees that can carry the bugs. Lots cheaper to buy the 4" peeler logs than pay the exuberant prices the CG's want for green wood that won't burn unless it's next to some meltdown at a nuclear plant.

6dot6 wrote:
lol. so i imagine you can buy wood locally for a small fee of say....first born child?

This is the REAL REASON the campgrounds ban the wood and blame the government laws.

My neighbor cut a tree down and since he worked for NPS he gave most of the wood to the CG in the Federal Forest where he worked, and gave me a portion for camping. I called to make reservations at the CG he gave the wood to, and they told me about the "Outside Wood Ban" I told him the address where my wood came from and he said that since it was outside the Federal Forest Area i could not bring it in, but they did have some for sale, i.e. the wood from the same tree at the same address. I decided to let the NPS know that the camp ground that NPS leased out was selling wood from outside the NPS in violation of law and I won't stay there, nor will my neighbor donate any more wood to them.

If the CG cared about the bugs they would not accept free wood to sell at a profit.

When we went to Elk Neck MD we took construction scrap for the fire, it bug free.

westernrvparkowner wrote:
Don't understand what the problem is. If I have learned anything from these forums it is an RVer can ignore any law or rule they don't agree with. Firewood, Leash, unattended pets, picking up after pets, gun laws, alcohol laws, mats on the grass, parking in HOAs, overnighting where prohibited, etc. can all be ignored if you don't like the genesis of the rule, or if it causes you to either spend more money or causes you an inconvenience. So bring in your firewood, burn it even if there is a a burn ban or a prohibition against open fires in the park, because you are an RVer and it's your right to do what the heck ever you want, rules and laws be darned.

Gosh I didn't know all of this. I am going to start breaking all the rules as soon as I hit the road!:B

I used to buy my wood at Walmart or the local state park. The price was similar so it depended on my schedule as to where I bought it. guess what, it burned the same and it cost the same. The other campground (a membership resort)I go to is local enough to carry wood. we used to carry in there but now we just buy it when we get there. it is cheap enough there too. we will keep any unburned wood and return with it on our next trip (tend to frequent the same place). if we go out of state then that wood is not brought with us and we purchase upon arrival. purchase a couple of bundles use that, buy more if needed. Any leftovers there are left for the next guest. I have never seen a ridiculous price, the price tends to be pretty standard anywhere we go. it is a small price to pay to preserve the beauty we all enjoy.

I move it within 30 miles of my house. That is illegal here now but, I take the chance. Any further then that and it's not worth the risk.

Gdetrailer wrote:

K Charles wrote:
The Gypsy Moth, Emerald Ash Borer, Elm Bark Beetle, Douglas-fir Bark Beetle and others didn't use to be here and now they are. It is not Junk Science, they are killing the trees.

Invasive insects, pests, animals, plants tend to be IMPORTED via other means than moving firewood.

Truth be known, YOU CAN NOT "ISOLATE" these "pests" once they have been brought into the "border" of the U.S.A.

Given the swift movement of say the Emerald Ash Borer one can say that it has NOTHING to do with MAN moving firewood from one place to another. Most likely those insects hopped rides on ANYTHING that moves. What are you going to do? Ban movement of cars trucks cows, horses cats owls, birds and so one...

Most if not all supposed "bans" are more about controlling PEOPLE and PEOPLES HABITS. Makes for a great "excuse" for campgrounds and even firewood sellers to BUMP UP prices artificially.

The shame of it all is the shear amount of ASH trees that have been NEEDLESSLY CUT DOWN, then CHIPPED INTO LANDSCAPE CHIPS :M:M:M

Do you think chipping the entire tree KILLS ALL of the ash borers?

The answer is NO, some perhaps many will survive and THOSE that did most likely got a FREE RIDE TO A NEW LOCATION OUTSIDE OF THE QUARANTINE ZONES.

How do I know this? I work within a supposed quarantine zone. Many places within that zone were COMPLETELY STRIPPED OF ALL ASH TREES and those trees were CHIPPED. I personally saw that happen.

As far as campground rules, well you ARE the GUEST, the campground is the HOST. Generally a very good idea to follow the HOST'S RULES EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RULES. By entering and paying the campground you are accepting any and all rules that they have published.

Chipping trees, infected or not, in a already infected area isn’t of much consequence, the chipped material still can not be moved out of the area in non-compliance of the laws… the penalties can be pretty severe… but even though the regulations cost commercial industries they back the regulations… their livelihoods can be dependent on it…

I know people in the logging and wood products business that also must comply and I never hear them complaining about these regulations like I hear some campers crying about them…
There are both federal and state regulations but some states may adopt tighter regulations because of the economic loss that goes with the death of the trees…

EAB… The following are regulated articles:

(a) The emerald ash borer; firewood of all hardwood (non-coniferous) species; nursery stock, green lumber, and other material living, dead, cut, or fallen, including logs, stumps, roots, branches, and composted and uncomposted chips of the genus Fraxinus.

(b) Any other article, product, or means of conveyance not listed in paragraph (a) of this section may be designated as a regulated article if an inspector determines that it presents a risk of spreading emerald ash borer and notifies the person in possession of the article, product, or means of conveyance that it is subject to the restrictions of the regulations.

Compliance agreements and cancellation.

Persons engaged in growing, handling, or moving regulated articles interstate may enter into a compliance agreement 3 if such persons review with an inspector each provision of the compliance agreement. Any person who enters into a compliance agreement with APHIS must agree to comply with the provisions of this subpart and any conditions imposed under this subpart

Attachment and disposition of certificates and limited permits.

(a) A regulated article must be plainly marked with the name and address of the consignor and the name and address of the consignee and must have the certificate or limited permit issued for the interstate movement of a regulated article securely attached at all times during interstate movement to:

(1) The regulated article;

(2) The container carrying the regulated article; or

(3) The consignee's copy of the accompanying waybill: Provided, that the description of the regulated article on the certificate or limited permit, and on the waybill, are sufficient to identify the regulated article; and

(b) The carrier must furnish the certificate or limited permit authorizing interstate movement of a regulated article to the consignee at the destination of the shipment.

I don't think you need to be an RV'r to think the rules don't apply to you..ever been on a plane?