Global Pickup Trucks Bragging Rights

ShinerBock wrote:

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In this case, these are not "regular" Global Rangers and one would have to be a loon to think so. These are the same trucks that the US bought for Afghanistan....
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OK. Thanks for the links. The Ranger LTV is new to me, very impressive, and you could be right, the French may well be ordering the LTV version of the Ranger.

So you ask how is this relevant to the current discussion about Global pickup trucks, in particular their reputed high payloads (which you claim are bogus)?

Look at the LTV version's specs (follow the link you provide above, you have to sign your first-born away to get the pdf download).

LTV suspension mods: "Enhanced handling suspension package to reduce body roll and to provide superior on and off road handling and ride comfort". Nowhere do they say the mods are for increasing the payload. Looking at the LTV weight table confirms that.

LTV's weight table: Their mods increase the curb weight from 1929kg to 2250kg (321kg), reducing the payload to 950kg from the Standard Rangers payload of ~1300kg (~350kg reduction).

The only way they could make these mods and add all that weight was because the base truck had so much payload to begin with. And as the original article states, these trucks (LTV or not) were purchased by the French Army for their high payload. So the article is clearly relevant to the ongoing discussion.

IMHO the LTV version of the Global Ranger just confirms what Robert and others have been saying all along. These Global pickups are tough, with high payloads (2500-3000#), but with lower HP (and somewhat low tow capacities as a result) and small size. They are what they are; not for everybody but obviously useful to many.

Sounds like the Global Ranger works in Australia and that the F-150 and/or Ranger works for those in the U.S.

Can we call it good at that point....and be done with the back and forth bashing?

RobertRyan wrote:

jerem0621 wrote:
Global Ranger is cool but irrelevant here in the US. I can't even look at one in person here. Plus it's way too small for my family...same for the New Colorado.

My next truck will be a full size crew cab truck...global Ranger has zero impact here or on my purchasing decision..it's not good enough to make it in the US. There is a huge reason why mid-size trucks are niche market here. People don't want them.

Contractors around here are starting to choose the Euro type vans that are coming available here.

Global Ranger has zero to offer the U.S.

The F series does everything the Ranger does and more as well as the other makes truck line ups. One reason why the Titan and the Tundra hasn't taken off here is due to choice. You basically have one truck with a couple cab configurations to choose from.

With the big three you have the ability to choose the right tool for the job. Light duty work and general household stuff is handled by the 1/2 tons...need a little more capacity but still need some street manners, buy a SRW 3/4 or 1 ton. Need some serious hauling? We have Dullies for that.

Choice, it's a great thing.

Thanks!


Jeremiah

No, we have a vast array of vehicles that do what a F250/F350 does. The Global Ranger, has an almost 3/4 payload, can go Off Road almost as.well as a Jeep Wrangler, fuel economy half of that of a gas F150. It is pretty good as a basic Pickup, but a lot more choices for the jobs of a F250/F350. Big negative for us is the lack of off road performance , with a substantial load and load generally in the basic US 1/2 ton

Contractors around here are starting to choose the Euro type vans that are coming available here.

That is pretty old hat here and there are a lot of those Vans available outside NA

jerem0621 wrote:
Global Ranger is cool but irrelevant here in the US. I can't even look at one in person here. Plus it's way too small for my family...same for the New Colorado.

My next truck will be a full size crew cab truck...global Ranger has zero impact here or on my purchasing decision..it's not good enough to make it in the US. There is a huge reason why mid-size trucks are niche market here. People don't want them.

Contractors around here are starting to choose the Euro type vans that are coming available here.

Global Ranger has zero to offer the U.S.

The F series does everything the Ranger does and more as well as the other makes truck line ups. One reason why the Titan and the Tundra hasn't taken off here is due to choice. You basically have one truck with a couple cab configurations to choose from.

With the big three you have the ability to choose the right tool for the job. Light duty work and general household stuff is handled by the 1/2 tons...need a little more capacity but still need some street manners, buy a SRW 3/4 or 1 ton. Need some serious hauling? We have Dullies for that.

Choice, it's a great thing.

Thanks!


Jeremiah

No, we have a vast array of vehicles that do what a F250/F350 does. The Global Ranger, has an almost 3/4 payload, can go Off Road almost as.well as a Jeep Wrangler, fuel economy half of that of a gas F150. It is pretty good as a basic Pickup, but a lot more choices for the jobs of a F250/F350. Big negative for us is the lack of off road performance and load in the basic US 1/2 ton

Global Ranger is cool but irrelevant here in the US. I can't even look at one in person here. Plus it's way too small for my family...same for the New Colorado.

My next truck will be a full size crew cab truck...global Ranger has zero impact here or on my purchasing decision..it's not good enough to make it in the US. There is a huge reason why mid-size trucks are niche market here. People don't want them.

Contractors around here are starting to choose the Euro type vans that are coming available here.

Global Ranger has zero to offer the U.S.

The F series does everything the Ranger does and more as well as the other makes truck line ups. One reason why the Titan and the Tundra hasn't taken off here is due to choice. You basically have one truck with a couple cab configurations to choose from.

With the big three you have the ability to choose the right tool for the job. Light duty work and general household stuff is handled by the 1/2 tons...need a little more capacity but still need some street manners, buy a SRW 3/4 or 1 ton. Need some serious hauling? We have Dullies for that.

Choice, it's a great thing.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

Colorado71 wrote:

Bedlam wrote:
UTV in the bed while towing a trailer?

Truck camper in the bed while towing toys?

What's the weight of a midsized truck camper? 1,500lbs? Tongue weight of a trailer with a couple of ATV's? 150-200lb's at most.

UTV has to fit with the tail gate closed if you're going to tow a TT. Will that even fit? And if it does, that's still only ~1,000lbs plus a max of say 6,000lb TT would total 1,600lb's payload.

Not seeing the need for 3,000lb payload unless you're hauling for work, as Marty said.

Denvermike give up you have used your Shiner Bock moniker, why try the other Moniker
Colorado 71 was used on the Australian Caravanners Forums and Denvermike on the Car Advice Site which was discussing that the payload of the Tundra which was to be imported into Australia , he said it was was "underated" but Midsize Pickups were" overrated"
He has a thing for Midsize Pickups saying that they would not make the profit of Fullsize
He opposes all what the UAW opposes. He makes a big thing about capacity ratings no matter what Non-US manufacturer, from the Truth About Cars website. Discussion is about the Holden Ute but same issues regarding Ford Ranger
Truth about Cars site

Robert Ryan – I’m mot talking about the equivalent truck. Equivalent rating. Aussie capacity ratings are grossly overrated. Ratings are left entirely to the OEM’s sense of humour!

From the Car Advice site reviewing the Toyota Tundra
Car Advice reviewing the Toyota Tundra

"DenverMike
6 months ago
US DOT, NHTSA payload rating are extremely conservative, so it should be on par with any smaller pickup, in the very least.

By the same token there mate, if I imported a 1990 Hilux to the US (under the 25 year rule), then maxxed out its factory payload/tow rating, US regulators would consider it way overloaded.

And there's obviously no US DOT, SAE equivalent in OZ/NZ/SEA. Is there? You mean to tell me they leave it up to the car makers/OEM to set tow/payload ratings???

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Similar arrogance by Colorado 71 about Australian Off Road Caravans, that may have been imported from Australia. Australians who saw my transferred post, were enraged, by the vast amount of false information
RV NET Travel Trailers enraged Australian reactions

Bedlam wrote:
UTV in the bed while towing a trailer?

Truck camper in the bed while towing toys?

What's the weight of a midsized truck camper? 1,500lbs? Tongue weight of a trailer with a couple of ATV's? 150-200lb's at most.

UTV has to fit with the tail gate closed if you're going to tow a TT. Will that even fit? And if it does, that's still only ~1,000lbs plus a max of say 6,000lb TT would total 1,600lb's payload.

Not seeing the need for 3,000lb payload unless you're hauling for work, as Marty said.

Colorado71 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what's the point of a midsized truck with a 3,000lb payload in the context of RVing?

You're certainly not going to be pulling a large 5th wheel with a 2,500lb pin weight. You're certainly not going to be loading it up with quads or snowmobiles.

Might be great for a work truck, but doesn't really mean squat in the RV world

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red letters, not everyone uses there trucks as an RV use only. Probably 30-50% or more of trucks are used in construction industries where payload is more of an issue than if it can pull a trailer. I never truly needed a 1 ton to tow my rv trailer. But the equipment trailer I had a 7000 lbs bobcat and 3000 lb excavator DID need a 1 ton to haul and tow it! I could easily some days use an older 150-200hp V6 in a 1 ton dually for what I do with these trucks a lot. I do not need a lot of HP to move 15-20K lbs upwards of 45-50 mph on 2-4 lane city, county and state roads. Interstates 60 mph needs a bit more, but the amount I am on them is less than 5% of the time.

While granted this forum is an RV based forum, many like myself use there truck in more than one relm of a pickups usage. I choose the harder use for what I will buy, how I use it etc. RV'ing is light duty vs construction use. Ever see a 3/4 ton pickup with 6 600-800 lbs rocks in the bed?!?!?!??? been there done that! Or 2 3000 lbs pallets of concrete pavers or wall blocks? yep, been there done that! a 6500lb axel and 750 lbs hitch wt TT in the RV relm is pretty easy. The equipment trailer with 1500-1600 lbs of dead wt pintle hitch and 11K-12K on the axels, along with a ton or two in the bed......that gets a bit more fun mind you!

Marty

UTV in the bed while towing a trailer?

Truck camper in the bed while towing toys?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what's the point of a midsized truck with a 3,000lb payload in the context of RVing?

You're certainly not going to be pulling a large 5th wheel with a 2,500lb pin weight. You're certainly not going to be loading it up with quads or snowmobiles.

Might be great for a work truck, but doesn't really mean squat in the RV world.