OMG!...

Maybe the Journey had a aftermarket system? My wife's 2012 200 which has a standard key with remote start will only run for 10 minutes also then it shuts down. BTW I can also start my truck with my smart phone thru the u-connect app.

Bottom line we can not make everything unassailable for everyone. The owner's manual addresses every aspect of your vehicle yet no one reads it! OEM's have put them in book form and on CD's but still no one will open it and learn how to operate their vehicle. It is easier to blame someone else and than sue to try and get rich because of their laziness.

Again we have had five vehicles with OEM remote starts and have not had any of them start on their own. So lets do a little survey, if you have or have had a vehicle with FACTORY remote start has it ever started without any input from you?

Don

IMO, FOB leaves vehicle, it shuts off in 5 or 10 mins. If you need you vehicle to run to heat it up on winter morning, use FOB from in house to start. And it shuts down after 10-15 mins.

Seems simple to me. Am I overlooking something?

Btw a simple software update can take care of this.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

Also in my Ram if you leave the truck with it running there is an warning that says over and over THE KEY FOB HAS LEFT THE VEHICLE along with a warning on the dash and a chime sounds. If the fob does not return in ten minutes the truck shuts down.

That programming is part of the claim... If Dodge and Ford can have this logic, why can't the others?

PS - When I was at Universal Studios last summer, I parked in front of a Dodge Journey. It was running, not key fob visible, no lights on the dash, doors locked. It was still running 9 hours later when we returned. The parking garage was loud enough you couldn't hear it, I only noticed when I felt the heat dumping out when I was standing next to it.

Anytime OEMs change things to make them different from what people are used to, there is the risk that some people won't notice, or may forget while they are rushed or otherwise pre-occupied.

What if one day the double doors at your office were switched, so the right side is "Pull" and left side is "push". Sounds silly but I've seen the exact swap happen. Even month later, people people still walk straight into the "pull" side of the door because its on the right!

2003silverado wrote:
At least with keyed ignition vehicles most people need the same key ring to get back in their house when they return home. I don't understand why the vehicles don't shut off when the fob gets over 10 feet from the vehicle. If you need to leave it running then you leave the fob in the vehicle just like you would leave the keys in the ignition on other vehicles.

Then someone can steal your vehicle, if the key fob is not in the vehicle and someone depresses the brake pedal the vehicle turns off. If the fob is in the vehicle they drive away. You get a ticket, your insurance company may be able to jurk you around and if the vehicle involved in a accident you might be sued. Nope leaving the fob in the vehicle is not a good idea.

Don

Didn't have any problems when the start buttons were on the floor.

I guess it is too difficult to look at the instrumentation. I haven't seen a vehicle that wasn't equipped with a tachometer in years.
A glance at the instrument panel tells me the engine is still running. The tach shows idle RPM, the oil pressure gauge shows pressure (or the idiot light is not illuminated), etc.
Situational awareness is a wonderful thing. Too bad so many people don't have it!

At least with keyed ignition vehicles most people need the same key ring to get back in their house when they return home. I don't understand why the vehicles don't shut off when the fob gets over 10 feet from the vehicle. If you need to leave it running then you leave the fob in the vehicle just like you would leave the keys in the ignition on other vehicles.

Around here an unattended running vehicle will get you a ticket locked or not.

What if someone leaves a keyed ignition car running in the garage? They're so quiet, you might not know it's running right? My Keyless Prius will emit some loud beeps if I get out with it "ON". If I get out of my keyed ignition F250 and walk away because I didn't know it was running while I was driving it, it does nothing to tell me it's still running and I've left the vehicle. I'm thinking about suing Ford because it doesn't tell me to shut it off before I walk away from it. How could the manufacturer be so negligent. Sarcasm intended.

carringb wrote:
Its easy to dismiss the claims, however when you consider that most new cars are so quiet many older individuals cannot hear them, combined with a non-intuitive operating parameter that allow the engine to run when you take the "key" (or in this case a fob) out of the vehicle, it puts people at risk.

Would you want to lose your parent or grandparent because they are caught up on technology? From a Human Factors standpoint, the current systems in many cars most definitely increase the probability of somebody making a potentially fatal error.

Bryan if my Dad becomes so absent minded that he does not know that he didn't turn off his car then it is time to take his right to drive away. For his safety and everyone around him. As far as the car being accidentally started it could happen I guess. Although it has not happened with any of our vehicles. I have set off the alarm by accident but that only takes one push of the panic button to do. To start them you need to push the start button two times and then the horn sounds two times and it starts. It will run for only ten minutes then the vehicle shuts off. I'm no expert but can you really get enough CO2 in a home to kill someone in that time frame? My garage is not heatedd so it will never happen. It does have drywall on all the walls and ceiling but the eve's and three roof vents will pull all the CO2 out. The service door is sealed and no air xan leak leak by it.

Also in my Ram if you leave the truck with it running there is an warning that says over and over THE KEY FOB HAS LEFT THE VEHICLE along with a warning on the dash and a chime sounds. If the fob does not return in ten minutes the truck shuts down.

The point is this is not an issue and these law suits should be dismissed! BTW if people would read their owners manual it tells you to NOT TO START YOUR VEHICLE IN AN ENCLOSED AERA! But let's not take responsibility for our own actions here.

Don