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travelnutz
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Jun 25, 2014

Recalling of millions of passenger airbags

Automakers to recall air bags in humid parts of U.S.
Faulty air bags — which have already led to the recall of millions of cars worldwide — are blamed for a new round of recalls in the U.S.
AP WireDetroitJun 24, 2014The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the government's auto safety agency, said Monday that BMW, Chrysler, Ford, Honda, Mazda, Nissan and Toyota will recall cars sold in places where hot, humid weather can potentially affect the air bags.

The older-model cars have air bag inflators that can rupture. If that happens, the air bags might not work properly in a crash, and shards from the broken system could fly out and cause injury.

The automakers all have air bag systems made by Takata Corp., a Tokyo-based supplier of seat belts, air bags, steering wheels and other auto parts.

NHTSA opened an investigation this month after getting six reports of air bags rupturing in Florida and Puerto Rico. Three people were injured in those cases. It had estimated 1.1 million vehicles automakers in the U.S. could be affected, but the total is likely to climb.

Honda, for example, said it will include 10 states and territories in its recall, including Texas, Georgia and South Carolina. Honda says Takata recommended recalling cars in four places: Florida, Hawaii, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

The government says it wanted to act quickly in warm states while it continues to investigate the issue.

"Based on the limited data available at this time, NHTSA supports efforts by automakers to address the immediate risk in areas that have consistently hot, humid conditions over extended periods of time," the agency said in a statement.

Honda says too much pressure may be building up in the system, causing the air bags to deploy with too much force.

In one complaint last August, a Honda driver's lawyer told NHTSA that the car was in a crash, and both driver and passenger air bags inflated. The driver's air bag inflator ruptured "and propelled a one-inch piece of shrapnel into the driver's right eye." The driver lost sight and suffered cuts requiring 100 stitches to close, the complaint said.

Takata's air bags have been the subject of multiple recalls in recent months.

In April 2013, Toyota, Honda and Nissan recalled nearly 3.4 million older-model vehicles worldwide due to a problem with the propellant in the air bags that could lead to fires.

But Takata recently realized that recall didn't include all of the potentially faulty air bags. Earlier this month, Toyota recalled 2.27 million more cars globally. And on Monday in Japan, Honda, Mazda and Nissan together recalled nearly 3 million more.

17 Replies

  • Lessmore wrote:
    Don...this is exactly what I'm talking about. Brand loyalty.


    Sorry but I'm not 100% brand loyal, really! I both my #1 DD a 2001 Volvo S-80 and have regretted buying it do to the poor built quality of this vehicle. To be fair the 2000 Dodge Stratus (bought @ a repo auction) turn out to be a money pit also.

    DD #2 was bought a 2001 Buick Century, again a total POS. Nutz loves to talk about Chrysler products rusting out well both rocker panels rutted out and is the norm on ALL Buick's. It also needed the trans replaced, two hubs ABS system repaired and a water pump all with in one year of ownership!

    So yep they ALL have their issues as they are machines, that if not taken care of WILL cost you lots and lots of money.

    I was not going to post on this thread until I got to your comment,
    Lessmore wrote:
    I also wonder why the safety concerned Ford and Dodge fans, have not jumped in to this issue as of yet ? I note that this thread was out yesterday....but so far only one response...mine.
    had you left that out I would have been content to just read TNutz's post and laughing. Talked about a Fan boy, I don't come close to his "Brand Loyalty".

    BTW I'm on Vacation and have been working on relandscaping the front yard. And frankly the way I got slammed the last time I posted about a GM recall I won't be starting any new recall threads, at least not about GM's.

    Don
  • Ron3rd's avatar
    Ron3rd
    Explorer III
    Ron3rd wrote:
    Yeah, I read about that a while back; Toyota got hit first, and then Honda and Nissan because they use the same airbag supplier. Don't think it affected the Tudras though.


    ...and if any of the Big 3 had used this supplier, they would have got drug in too!
  • Agree 'somewhat' with Les, but there is a disassociation in the process...

    Here is what I mean...the ones making the decisions 'up front' many times do NOT
    suffer the consequences for their actions/decisions

    Too often, the service division gets the bill for these recalls and/or warranty costs

    The up front decision makers are long gone either on another project and/or
    in different jobs (inside that corp or another corp). Got their 'Attaboy' bonuses
    and raises

    A well run product design team will have reps from the service group(s). Not so well
    run will have management ignore them...knowing that they most likely will NOT
    ever suffer the consequences.

    The current GM fiasco is a prime example of that and the current CEO is cleaning
    house so that this won't happen again. Time will tell, as that good ol boy way
    of running a corporation is ingrained...

    Until upper management demands and dictates that those up front decision
    makers also suffer the consequences for their decisions will this
    end...better or more correctly...lessen this

    I'll take that philosophy even farther...to here on this forum.

    Too many won't want to hear it and only want to hear what they want to hear...
  • Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
    Gee Lessmore we didn't need to we knew you GM boys would be all over it, after all Ford and Chrysler are involved.

    Funny though Nutz forgot to include GM's four air bag recalls. Also this "April 29, 2014 - 2:49 pm ET DETROIT -- GM was reluctant to recall 1.2 million vehicles for airbag issue. Even after revealing that it waited years to recall cars in which faulty ignition switches caused airbags to fail, a General Motors document suggests the automaker last month remained reluctant to issue a recall for a long-known problem with airbags on more than 1 million other vehicles. Instead, GM on March 13 approved a less-urgent customer-satisfaction campaign -- which is not monitored by government regulators and typically less costly to automakers -- to address an airbag flaw affecting the GMC Acadia, Chevrolet Traverse, Buick Enclave and Saturn Outlook crossovers." LINKY LINKY they just don't get it do they. Maybe the record fine coming down the pike might do something to wake them up.

    People in glass houses there Nutz.

    Don


    Don...this is exactly what I'm talking about.

    Brand loyalty.

    I've mentioned before ...ALL COMPANIES....are affected by recalls. Many use the same suppliers....so many parts are the same...with the same good and bad designs.

    I've....and/or my family members have had GM, Ford, Mopar, Toyota, Nissan, VW, Volvo, etc....and they all have issues....all have had recall...all have had lemons in their respective vehicle lines.

    In my humble opinion and observation...all manufacturers ...pretty almost without exception...try to avoid recalls because of the great expense.

    It's the business part that looks at how the most profit an be made per unit, and the balancing act between profit per unit, vs cost per unit.

    Compromises are made, decisions are made and sometimes those compromises and decisions are in error.

    Every manufacturer, whether they make widgets or warplanes is subject to these factors.

    Without exception.

    These latest airbag recalls affect significantly older vehicles from a lot of different manufacturers. My question, why just the huge recalls as of late?

    The answer my friend, I believe is in the earlier part of my response.

    I've probably been around longer than most....I'm no spring chicken (mid-60's)...and I understand the Bench racing aspect of Ford Vs Chevy...and other rivalries.

    When I was a young man I had a '67 Camaro...one of my closest friends had a high performance 289, '66 Mustang.


    I recall the motorcycle wars of the 1960's....Triumph/ Norton
    vs Harley. I was a Norton motorcycle guy.

    In the '40's it was HD vs Indian motorcycles.

    It used to be fun back in the muscle car and muscle bike, days of the 1960's.

    But now it seems, there are a few (not all) who just sit in wait to stir up animosity and then sit back and enjoy the senseless recriminations thrown back and forth.

    It's a waste of effort on everyone's part, including me and when you think about it......a Ford, Chevy, Dodge, etc...are just machines.

    When it comes to current pickups, I would say without any doubt....they're all good and there's little to choose between them......except whatever happens to be the consumer's favourite
    brand.

    The other thing I know.....and you do too...is that every brand in the future will have a design/ part issue and as a result there will be a recall.

    Les
  • Gee Lessmore we didn't need to we knew you GM boys would be all over it, after all Ford and Chrysler are involved.

    Funny though Nutz forgot to include GM's four air bag recalls. Also this "April 29, 2014 - 2:49 pm ET DETROIT -- GM was reluctant to recall 1.2 million vehicles for airbag issue. Even after revealing that it waited years to recall cars in which faulty ignition switches caused airbags to fail, a General Motors document suggests the automaker last month remained reluctant to issue a recall for a long-known problem with airbags on more than 1 million other vehicles. Instead, GM on March 13 approved a less-urgent customer-satisfaction campaign -- which is not monitored by government regulators and typically less costly to automakers -- to address an airbag flaw affecting the GMC Acadia, Chevrolet Traverse, Buick Enclave and Saturn Outlook crossovers." LINKY LINKY they just don't get it do they. Maybe the record fine coming down the pike might do something to wake them up.

    People in glass houses there Nutz.

    Don
  • Ron3rd's avatar
    Ron3rd
    Explorer III
    Yeah, I read about that a while back; Toyota got hit first, and then Honda and Nissan because they use the same airbag supplier. Don't think it affected the Tudras though.
  • I wonder how many people have been seriously injured...or worse with these airbags and I also wonder how long the auto manufacturers.....have known ?

    I also wonder why the safety concerned Ford and Dodge fans, have not jumped in to this issue as of yet ?

    I note that this thread was out yesterday....but so far only one response...mine.

    Why would this be ? Hmmmnnn ;)