US Pickup Trucks trying to copy VW?

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
RobertRyan likes to post about interesting and different auto, truck and rv related products that they use in his country, as well as automotive news items from around the world. At no point in the last several years of reading his posts, have I got the impression that he is trying to belittle Americans. I think he just likes to show interesting things that are happening around the world.

Spot on. I have been to the US on several occaisions and news of what happens outside of it, you can put the back of a stamp. News about Automotive vehicles like MAN, Scania, IVECO, Peugeot, Seat, Citroen, Mercedes Trucks, Renault Trucks, UD Trucks, Hyundai Commercial Vehicles too name a few non existent

Some peaple gets wery offensive when they think someone is being negative about ther country, not every thing about any country is great.
Frank.

NC Hauler wrote:

Dadoffourgirls wrote:
I may be mistaken, but I do not believe that our Aussie friend was chiding American products, but I am upset with his title and implication of law-breaking.

I had seen this information in AutoNews, and did not post it because I would be considered bashing Ford. As a GM employee, I try to not provoke arguments regarding other Automakers. I try to provide objective, direct feedback.

What VW did was illegal. They built software to cheat on tests. Ford developed the best they could, and will pay the allowable payment for missing.

Bob Lutz had criticized the GM engineers for not achieving the diesel capabilities that VW achieved. Bob and the GM engineers were not surprised.

Every company that is under government regulations decides how to best meet the regulations while making a profit. I expect many automakers will continue to pay to miss the requirements.

You need to read more of his threads...yes he get's a kick out of ripping on US made products..it's there for the research..and others stated as much on this thread as I did.

No, it was a news item from CarBuzz, that was reposted on another news feed. I post positive as well

RobertRyan likes to post about interesting and different auto, truck and rv related products that they use in his country, as well as automotive news items from around the world. At no point in the last several years of reading his posts, have I got the impression that he is trying to belittle Americans. I think he just likes to show interesting things that are happening around the world.

Dadoffourgirls wrote:
I may be mistaken, but I do not believe that our Aussie friend was chiding American products, but I am upset with his title and implication of law-breaking.

I had seen this information in AutoNews, and did not post it because I would be considered bashing Ford. As a GM employee, I try to not provoke arguments regarding other Automakers. I try to provide objective, direct feedback.

What VW did was illegal. They built software to cheat on tests. Ford developed the best they could, and will pay the allowable payment for missing.

Bob Lutz had criticized the GM engineers for not achieving the diesel capabilities that VW achieved. Bob and the GM engineers were not surprised.

Every company that is under government regulations decides how to best meet the regulations while making a profit. I expect many automakers will continue to pay to miss the requirements.

You need to read more of his threads...yes he get's a kick out of ripping on US made products..it's there for the research..and others stated as much on this thread as I did.

I may be mistaken, but I do not believe that our Aussie friend was chiding American products, but I am upset with his title and implication of law-breaking.

I had seen this information in AutoNews, and did not post it because I would be considered bashing Ford. As a GM employee, I try to not provoke arguments regarding other Automakers. I try to provide objective, direct feedback.

What VW did was illegal. They built software to cheat on tests. Ford developed the best they could, and will pay the allowable payment for missing.

Bob Lutz had criticized the GM engineers for not achieving the diesel capabilities that VW achieved. Bob and the GM engineers were not surprised.

Every company that is under government regulations decides how to best meet the regulations while making a profit. I expect many automakers will continue to pay to miss the requirements.

Powerdude wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:
Don't understand the Australian take on American vehicles? The VW diesel equipped vehicle was programmed to "lie" about emission claims when inspected and the manufacturer built it like that ON PURPOSE!....and it doesn't meet emission requirements, though VW stated it did so that they could sell more vehicles here in the US..We won't program our vehicles to lie...

Ford, GM and Ram, all have jumped through hoops to meet those EPA requirements..didn't cheat, didn't lie...they didn't have to..VW got caught...they should pay...Ford, GM or Chrysler/Ram would have to, why should VW allowed to get away with lying? They sure shouldn't be given a free pass for deception.

Don't know about the gassers...VW issue was with DIESEL. IF Ford wasn't meeting EPA requirements, I'd imagine we see all kinds of recalls, or quite a few story line in the news about this....I haven't..no lying, no deception...Make your country perfect, THEN, you can work on ours..:R

At the risk of sounding like I'm baiting you, and I'm not, is the fact that VW lied a real surprise to anybody?

You have media outlets, politicians, actors, banks, singers, and just about everybody else, including religious figures, lying these days.

Then you have almost impossible, unscientific requirements imposed on manufacturers of diesel vehicles, saying they have to meet the same pollution standards as gasoline vehicles.

Hello !...Gasoline and diesel are two completely different fuels, from a chemical point of view. One is short chain hydrocarbons, one is long chain hydrocarbons. Different boiling points, flash points, molecular weights, density, etc. You name it, they are different.

Yes, they both undergo combustion, but combustion occurs differently for long and short chain hydrocarbons. The kinetics of the combustion reaction are different.

I think VW made the only logical choice they could. You will see more of this, as political requirements are not guided by scientific principles.

The EPA are nothing but a bunch of political hacks who have forgotten what their purpose is (if they ever knew), and have no clue about science.

Whether you agree with the law or not, it is law now...whether you and I like it or not..it is what it is..VW lied and used deception so they could sell their import in our country...They need to pay and pay big..Ford, GM or Chrysler would all have had to pay through the teeth..What's good for the goose is good for the gander,...The mighty German made automaker blew it, so much for THEIR technology.. VW got caught and they should pay..It's just that simple

Oh, Hello... I do know the difference between diesel and gas:R. The VW in question was the diesel equipped VW..not a gasser

All that aside, MY issue with this thread isn't with you, it's with an Australian chiding American products, asking if we're going to lie and cheat to make our vehicles compliant...I say to him...take a walkabout and worry about the many vehicles your country produces, along with your country's manufactured RV's, you know, where you are a citizen of that country..and have earned that right...you haven't in this country.

I know an owner of two of the TDI's with the modified emissions. She is still a VW fan because of the good treatment she has received from her local dealer and VW USA after the scandal. She loves her TDI and her husband got hooked on them too. They live in an area where emissions are not tested, so they hope they do not have to return theirs to VW or have them detuned. There has been talk about restricting owners from renewing registration regardless where they live unless they have a recertification document stating their vehicle was modified to comply with emissions...

Speaking with other Aussie's, their vehicle standards have plenty of room for improvement - I'm not sure why someone that has little chance of buying a US centric vehicle is making a ruckus other than jealousy? What I cannot have, I will disparage.

ShinerBock wrote:

IdaD wrote:

hone eagle wrote:
The OP has a habit of posting provocative stories ,if the article doesn't do it he will throw out a jab at our vehicles ,trailers or manufacturers.
Then I imagine sit back and have a giggle on us.

Yeah it's kind of a weird deal but every thread he starts is full of little jabs and backhanded comments.

I am glad I am not the only one that sees this.

Just another slow day in Oz for Mr. Ryan.

I bet he has tiny little hands.

:):)

NC Hauler wrote:
Don't understand the Australian take on American vehicles? The VW diesel equipped vehicle was programmed to "lie" about emission claims when inspected and the manufacturer built it like that ON PURPOSE!....and it doesn't meet emission requirements, though VW stated it did so that they could sell more vehicles here in the US..We won't program our vehicles to lie...

Ford, GM and Ram, all have jumped through hoops to meet those EPA requirements..didn't cheat, didn't lie...they didn't have to..VW got caught...they should pay...Ford, GM or Chrysler/Ram would have to, why should VW allowed to get away with lying? They sure shouldn't be given a free pass for deception.

Don't know about the gassers...VW issue was with DIESEL. IF Ford wasn't meeting EPA requirements, I'd imagine we see all kinds of recalls, or quite a few story line in the news about this....I haven't..no lying, no deception...Make your country perfect, THEN, you can work on ours..:R

Great time to buy a newer Vdub TDI though if you ever wanted one. With the Dieselgate issue ongoing, all the leaf lickers are dumping their TDIs CHEAP!