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Jul 11, 2015

Front End Upgrade (many pictures)

Eight years ago, against better judgement, we bought a VW Vanagon, our first real RV. Because it was a Vanagon, it almost immediately needed significant maintenance. I had barely a clue what I was doing but with the help of my on-line Vanagon forum, I was able to not only fix my brakes but eventually I rebuilt the entire vehicle including a custom engine that I made with my own two hands.

I hope this post contributes a little bit to my new Good Sam community and reciprocate the kindness and knowledge some of you have shared with me.

On to the task at hand!

I decided to swap the front end of my 2008 Fleetwood Jamboree 26J (the chassis is a 2007) to the redesigned 2014 front end. The post-2007 front-end has bigger brakes and pads, a redesigned radius arm and a new axle and new sway-links. The setup is rated with an additional 500 pounds of capacity, too. I like the idea of having an extra margin of safety. Also, I am adding in a Hellwig swaybar, Firestone airbags, Koni FSD shocks and Ingall's Engineering caster bushings.

I purchased the parts from Quigley Engineering in Pennsylvania. The process took forever but they were always friendly and professional. I used uShip to handle transporting the 450-pounds of parts to my home in Austin, Texas.

Below I've outlined my disassembly procedure. I'm not suggesting this is the only way to do it or even the best way. It's just what I ended up doing. Your mileage may vary, as they say.

I hope that maybe anyone reading this might be encouraged to try something like this themselves. Use this information at your own risk and don't assume I have any idea what I'm talking about. I'm sure many of you will have much, much better and smarter ways of doing this but be gentle and try not to humiliate me too badly. :-)

001

I only lifted the vehicle up enough to make it easier to access a little easier, rather than raising it up "tires-off". The frame is resting on two six-ton jack stands with two additional ones added for safety and peace-of-mind. I had an acquaintance die when a brand-new jack stand cracked, so I tend to be very, very careful about this issue. Both rear wheels were chocked as well.

Once the camper was on the stands, I rolled a hydraulic jack underneath the axles and used a battery-powered impact wrench to remove the lug-nuts. Once the tires were off, I let the axles hang.

002

Sometimes one of the scariest things about tackling a big mechanical project is being comfortable with a strange new environment. There's all these odd, rusty, greasy bits going every which way and that can be intimidating. To help me ease in to a job, I always take as many pictures as I possibly can from every conceivable angle. I even shoot video as well. That way I can be pretty sure even if my memory fails me, the photos won't.

003

The ABS sensor connector has a little tab that locks the two sections together. Press the tab and wiggle the connector out of the lower socket. The socket is clipped to the frame by a nylon tab. I think it's supposed to slide off the frame but I just pried it off with a screwdriver.

004

The brake-lines are removed at the caliper using a short breaker. Fluid will leak out so be prepared with a couple of buckets or something absorbent. I was not prepared and I got a hell of a lot of brake fluid all over my driveway. Oops.

For the time being, keep the brake lines attached to the frame to help minimize the chance of getting any debris in the brake system. I didn't save the copper crush-washers. They're a one-time use thing and besides, the 2014 brake uses an entirely different brake line.

005

Remove the caliper bolts. I used a long-handled 1/2" ratchet because these are some pretty stubborn bolts with a lot of torque applied to them. Ford also applied blue thread-locker to the bolts so don't be surprised if you encounter some real resistance. There is a bolt on the top and bottom of the caliper. Once the bolts are removed, you should be able to lift the caliper right off. If the pads are biting down on the the disc, rock the caliper back and forth until it comes off. Be mindful of the fact that the caliper is full of brake fluid. It can slosh.

006

Using a pair of vice-grips opened all the way, get a good hold of the grease cup. A couple of yanks should free it up.

007

Using either your fingers, a flat screwdriver or long-nose pliers (or a combination of all three), bend the cotter pin straight and remove it. Pull the nut-retainer out and set it aside.

008

The spindle nut is literally what is holding the wheel to the axle and yet you'll probably be able to take it off with just your fingers! Once the nut is removed, pull the entire hub/disk out just a bit. The outer bearing and retaining washer will probably just fall out. Save the nut and washer. Obviously, save the bearing as well if you plan on reusing it. I purchased new bearings.

009

The hub will come right off now. I've done brake jobs on my VW and my Honda but nothing I'd done before prepared me for the sheer WEIGHT of the E450 hub! So be very careful you don't smash your foot or fingers!

010

The 2007-era swaybar is held on by just four bolts which came right out using my crappy impact wrench. A ratchet would work just as well but the bolts are really long, so you'll be at it a while. Once the last bolt is off, the bar will drop like a rock. So again, be careful.

011

Next, I removed the cotter pin, retainer and nut from where the tie-rods ends connect to the spindle. Save the nuts and retainers but never re-use cotter pins unless it is an emergency.

012

There are several types of tie-rod separators. The "pickle-fork" kind is the easiest but it destroys the joint's rubber boot. For now, I intend to keep the existing joints. The joint separator shown on the right-hand side of the picture ("scissor"-type) is pretty effective but it still has a tendency to shred boots. The one on the left is easy on the boots but almost never separates the joint.

013

The "scissor" type separator can be tightened with a ratchet but an impact wrench makes it so, so much easier. Once the joint is popped, I lifted the rods out of the way with a chain of tie-wraps looped over the frame.


NOTE:
I have new tie-rod ends but I'm not sure if I'm going to install them myself. The problem is, once I've installed the new ends, I'll have no earthly idea where my alignment is. I suppose I could measure the existing rods or even count the number of exposed threads on my old setup and then duplicate the measurements on the new rods.

Any suggestions?

014

I decided my next step was to remove the upper fasteners for the shock absorbers. No reason. It just seemed like the thing to do.

Much has been written here and elsewhere about how awful a job this is, particularly on the driver's side. Honestly, it wasn't that difficult, it was just extremely tedious because in both instances, you are removing a dirty, obstinate nut using short-leverage hand tools, one-quarter turn at a time.

The passenger-side shock is removed by holding the lower nut still and turning the top nut. The driver's side is the opposite, where you have to hold the top nut still while turning the lower one. No fun at all.

015

The coils come out now. This involves slackening what is probably the toughest fastener in the entire job: the big radius arm bolt that not only fastens the radius arm to the axle but also helps hold down the lower part of the coil.

Using a long 1/2" breaker, it took pretty much everything I had to pop it. But if my noodle-arms can do it, so can you.

Next, using a small hydraulic jack, I raised the axle up a few inches.

016

The coil is fastened at the top by a metal tab which is secured by a small bolt. Remove the bolt and tab. Make sure you save them! Note that the retailing tab fits into a notched recess on the frame.

Now, slowly lower the floor-jack. The coil will tip out. Rotate the coil 180 degrees. With a bit of turning, twisting and tugging the coil WILL come out of it's lower mount. I'm not sure it matters much, but I made a note of which side of the vehicle each coils came from using colored tie-wraps so i can put the back on their original sides. Probably doesn't matter.

017

In anticipation of the last few steps (particularly, removing the axle bolts), I raised each axle up on small three-ton jackstands at a point I guessed was the mass-center of the axle, pretty near the sway bushing.

With the coils out of the way, removing the lower shock mounts is super-easy. A short breaker loosened the nut and a ratchet finished the job.

018

Using a 1/2" ratchet on the lower nut and an impact wrench on the bolt, the radius-to-axle fasteners are removed. The plastic coil-insulator was more misshapen than I was expecting, so I'm probably going to get new ones.

019

The radius arm is held to the frame by three pretty big bolts. I had to use a large breaker to loosen them but a ratchet did them the rest of the way. After that, the radius arm is fairly easy to remove.

020

The bolt for the passenger side axle is frontmost, so it is removed first. In the photo, you can see I have a long breaker-bar augmented by a length of pipe. This is not only to give me a bit more leverage but it also allows me to stand up outside the wheel-well when applying force to the bar, rather than from a lying or sitting position.

Once the bolt broke, the impact wrench finished the task using a box wrench on the nut. The axle was balanced on the small jackstand, so it was fairly easy to just tip it out from under the vehicle.

021

The other axle nut comes off the same way except you'll be pushing down on the breaker.

022

THAT'S IT!! ALL DONE!!


I'm still waiting for a few fasteners to arrive at my Ford dealer. But otherwise I have everything I need to put the front-end back together. I'll post all that as soon as I can!

THANKS!!!
(EDITED FOR SPELLING & TYPOS)

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Because it was a Vanagon, it almost immediately needed significant maintenance. I had barely a clue what I was doing but with the help of my on-line Vanagon forum, I was able to not only fix my brakes but eventually I rebuilt the entire vehicle including a custom engine that I made with my own two hands.

I hope this post contributes a little bit to my new Good Sam community and reciprocate the kindness and knowledge some of you have shared with me.

On to the task at hand!

I decided to swap the front end of my 2008 Fleetwood Jamboree 26J (the chassis is a 2007) to the redesigned 2014 front end. The post-2007 front-end has bigger brakes and pads, a redesigned radius arm and a new axle and new sway-links. The setup is rated with an additional 500 pounds of capacity, too. I like the idea of having an extra margin of safety. Also, I am adding in a Hellwig swaybar, Firestone airbags, Koni FSD shocks and Ingall's Engineering caster bushings.

I purchased the parts from Quigley Engineering in Pennsylvania. The process took forever but they were always friendly and professional. I used uShip to handle transporting the 450-pounds of parts to my home in Austin, Texas.

Below I've outlined my disassembly procedure. I'm not suggesting this is the only way to do it or even the best way. It's just what I ended up doing. Your mileage may vary, as they say.

I hope that maybe anyone reading this might be encouraged to try something like this themselves. Use this information at your own risk and don't assume I have any idea what I'm talking about. I'm sure many of you will have much, much better and smarter ways of doing this but be gentle and try not to humiliate me too badly. :-)

001

I only lifted the vehicle up enough to make it easier to access a little easier, rather than raising it up \"tires-off\". The frame is resting on two six-ton jack stands with two additional ones added for safety and peace-of-mind. I had an acquaintance die when a brand-new jack stand cracked, so I tend to be very, very careful about this issue. Both rear wheels were chocked as well.

Once the camper was on the stands, I rolled a hydraulic jack underneath the axles and used a battery-powered impact wrench to remove the lug-nuts. Once the tires were off, I let the axles hang.

002

Sometimes one of the scariest things about tackling a big mechanical project is being comfortable with a strange new environment. There's all these odd, rusty, greasy bits going every which way and that can be intimidating. To help me ease in to a job, I always take as many pictures as I possibly can from every conceivable angle. I even shoot video as well. That way I can be pretty sure even if my memory fails me, the photos won't.

003

The ABS sensor connector has a little tab that locks the two sections together. Press the tab and wiggle the connector out of the lower socket. The socket is clipped to the frame by a nylon tab. I think it's supposed to slide off the frame but I just pried it off with a screwdriver.

004

The brake-lines are removed at the caliper using a short breaker. Fluid will leak out so be prepared with a couple of buckets or something absorbent. I was not prepared and I got a hell of a lot of brake fluid all over my driveway. Oops.

For the time being, keep the brake lines attached to the frame to help minimize the chance of getting any debris in the brake system. I didn't save the copper crush-washers. They're a one-time use thing and besides, the 2014 brake uses an entirely different brake line.

005

Remove the caliper bolts. I used a long-handled 1/2\" ratchet because these are some pretty stubborn bolts with a lot of torque applied to them. Ford also applied blue thread-locker to the bolts so don't be surprised if you encounter some real resistance. There is a bolt on the top and bottom of the caliper. Once the bolts are removed, you should be able to lift the caliper right off. If the pads are biting down on the the disc, rock the caliper back and forth until it comes off. Be mindful of the fact that the caliper is full of brake fluid. It can slosh.

006

Using a pair of vice-grips opened all the way, get a good hold of the grease cup. A couple of yanks should free it up.

007

Using either your fingers, a flat screwdriver or long-nose pliers (or a combination of all three), bend the cotter pin straight and remove it. Pull the nut-retainer out and set it aside.

008

The spindle nut is literally what is holding the wheel to the axle and yet you'll probably be able to take it off with just your fingers! Once the nut is removed, pull the entire hub/disk out just a bit. The outer bearing and retaining washer will probably just fall out. Save the nut and washer. Obviously, save the bearing as well if you plan on reusing it. I purchased new bearings.

009

The hub will come right off now. I've done brake jobs on my VW and my Honda but nothing I'd done before prepared me for the sheer WEIGHT of the E450 hub! So be very careful you don't smash your foot or fingers!

010

The 2007-era swaybar is held on by just four bolts which came right out using my crappy impact wrench. A ratchet would work just as well but the bolts are really long, so you'll be at it a while. Once the last bolt is off, the bar will drop like a rock. So again, be careful.

011

Next, I removed the cotter pin, retainer and nut from where the tie-rods ends connect to the spindle. Save the nuts and retainers but never re-use cotter pins unless it is an emergency.

012

There are several types of tie-rod separators. The \"pickle-fork\" kind is the easiest but it destroys the joint's rubber boot. For now, I intend to keep the existing joints. The joint separator shown on the right-hand side of the picture (\"scissor\"-type) is pretty effective but it still has a tendency to shred boots. The one on the left is easy on the boots but almost never separates the joint.

013

The \"scissor\" type separator can be tightened with a ratchet but an impact wrench makes it so, so much easier. Once the joint is popped, I lifted the rods out of the way with a chain of tie-wraps looped over the frame.


NOTE:
I have new tie-rod ends but I'm not sure if I'm going to install them myself. The problem is, once I've installed the new ends, I'll have no earthly idea where my alignment is. I suppose I could measure the existing rods or even count the number of exposed threads on my old setup and then duplicate the measurements on the new rods.

Any suggestions?

014

I decided my next step was to remove the upper fasteners for the shock absorbers. No reason. It just seemed like the thing to do.

Much has been written here and elsewhere about how awful a job this is, particularly on the driver's side. Honestly, it wasn't that difficult, it was just extremely tedious because in both instances, you are removing a dirty, obstinate nut using short-leverage hand tools, one-quarter turn at a time.

The passenger-side shock is removed by holding the lower nut still and turning the top nut. The driver's side is the opposite, where you have to hold the top nut still while turning the lower one. No fun at all.

015

The coils come out now. This involves slackening what is probably the toughest fastener in the entire job: the big radius arm bolt that not only fastens the radius arm to the axle but also helps hold down the lower part of the coil.

Using a long 1/2\" breaker, it took pretty much everything I had to pop it. But if my noodle-arms can do it, so can you.

Next, using a small hydraulic jack, I raised the axle up a few inches.

016

The coil is fastened at the top by a metal tab which is secured by a small bolt. Remove the bolt and tab. Make sure you save them! Note that the retailing tab fits into a notched recess on the frame.

Now, slowly lower the floor-jack. The coil will tip out. Rotate the coil 180 degrees. With a bit of turning, twisting and tugging the coil WILL come out of it's lower mount. I'm not sure it matters much, but I made a note of which side of the vehicle each coils came from using colored tie-wraps so i can put the back on their original sides. Probably doesn't matter.

017

In anticipation of the last few steps (particularly, removing the axle bolts), I raised each axle up on small three-ton jackstands at a point I guessed was the mass-center of the axle, pretty near the sway bushing.

With the coils out of the way, removing the lower shock mounts is super-easy. A short breaker loosened the nut and a ratchet finished the job.

018

Using a 1/2\" ratchet on the lower nut and an impact wrench on the bolt, the radius-to-axle fasteners are removed. The plastic coil-insulator was more misshapen than I was expecting, so I'm probably going to get new ones.

019

The radius arm is held to the frame by three pretty big bolts. I had to use a large breaker to loosen them but a ratchet did them the rest of the way. After that, the radius arm is fairly easy to remove.

020

The bolt for the passenger side axle is frontmost, so it is removed first. In the photo, you can see I have a long breaker-bar augmented by a length of pipe. This is not only to give me a bit more leverage but it also allows me to stand up outside the wheel-well when applying force to the bar, rather than from a lying or sitting position.

Once the bolt broke, the impact wrench finished the task using a box wrench on the nut. The axle was balanced on the small jackstand, so it was fairly easy to just tip it out from under the vehicle.

021

The other axle nut comes off the same way except you'll be pushing down on the breaker.

022

THAT'S IT!! ALL DONE!!


I'm still waiting for a few fasteners to arrive at my Ford dealer. But otherwise I have everything I need to put the front-end back together. I'll post all that as soon as I can!

THANKS!!!
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I hope this post contributes a little bit to my new Good Sam community and reciprocate the kindness and knowledge some of you have shared with me.

On to the task at hand!

I decided to swap the front end of my 2008 Fleetwood Jamboree 26J (the chassis is a 2007) to the redesigned 2014 front end. The post-2007 front-end has bigger brakes and pads, a redesigned radius arm and a new axle and new sway-links. The setup is rated with an additional 500 pounds of capacity, too. I like the idea of having an extra margin of safety. Also, I am adding in a Hellwig swaybar, Firestone airbags, Koni FSD shocks and Ingall's Engineering caster bushings.

I purchased the parts from Quigley Engineering in Pennsylvania. The process took forever but they were always friendly and professional. I used uShip to handle transporting the 450-pounds of parts to my home in Austin, Texas.

Below I've outlined my disassembly procedure. I'm not suggesting this is the only way to do it or even the best way. It's just what I ended up doing. Your mileage may vary, as they say.

I hope that maybe anyone reading this might be encouraged to try something like this themselves. Use this information at your own risk and don't assume I have any idea what I'm talking about. I'm sure many of you will have much, much better and smarter ways of doing this but be gentle and try not to humiliate me too badly. :-)

001

I only lifted the vehicle up enough to make it easier to access a little easier, rather than raising it up \"tires-off\". The frame is resting on two six-ton jack stands with two additional ones added for safety and peace-of-mind. I had an acquaintance die when a brand-new jack stand cracked, so I tend to be very, very careful about this issue. Both rear wheels were chocked as well.

Once the camper was on the stands, I rolled a hydraulic jack underneath the axles and used a battery-powered impact wrench to remove the lug-nuts. Once the tires were off, I let the axles hang.

002

Sometimes one of the scariest things about tackling a big mechanical project is being comfortable with a strange new environment. There's all these odd, rusty, greasy bits going every which way and that can be intimidating. To help me ease in to a job, I always take as many pictures as I possibly can from every conceivable angle. I even shoot video as well. That way I can be pretty sure even if my memory fails me, the photos won't.

003

The ABS sensor connector has a little tab that locks the two sections together. Press the tab and wiggle the connector out of the lower socket. The socket is clipped to the frame by a nylon tab. I think it's supposed to slide off the frame but I just pried it off with a screwdriver.

004

The brake-lines are removed at the caliper using a short breaker. Fluid will leak out so be prepared with a couple of buckets or something absorbent. I was not prepared and I got a hell of a lot of brake fluid all over my driveway. Oops.

For the time being, keep the brake lines attached to the frame to help minimize the chance of getting any debris in the brake system. I didn't save the copper crush-washers. They're a one-time use thing and besides, the 2014 brake uses an entirely different brake line.

005

Remove the caliper bolts. I used a long-handled 1/2\" ratchet because these are some pretty stubborn bolts with a lot of torque applied to them. Ford also applied blue thread-locker to the bolts so don't be surprised if you encounter some real resistance. There is a bolt on the top and bottom of the caliper. Once the bolts are removed, you should be able to lift the caliper right off. If the pads are biting down on the the disc, rock the caliper back and forth until it comes off. Be mindful of the fact that the caliper is full of brake fluid. It can slosh.

006

Using a pair of vice-grips opened all the way, get a good hold of the grease cup. A couple of yanks should free it up.

007

Using either your fingers, a flat screwdriver or long-nose pliers (or a combination of all three), bend the cotter pin straight and remove it. Pull the nut-retainer out and set it aside.

008

The spindle nut is literally what is holding the wheel to the axle and yet you'll probably be able to take it off with just your fingers! Once the nut is removed, pull the entire hub/disk out just a bit. The outer bearing and retaining washer will probably just fall out. Save the nut and washer. Obviously, save the bearing as well if you plan on reusing it. I purchased new bearings.

009

The hub will come right off now. I've done brake jobs on my VW and my Honda but nothing I'd done before prepared me for the sheer WEIGHT of the E450 hub! So be very careful you don't smash your foot or fingers!

010

The 2007-era swaybar is held on by just four bolts which came right out using my crappy impact wrench. A ratchet would work just as well but the bolts are really long, so you'll be at it a while. Once the last bolt is off, the bar will drop like a rock. So again, be careful.

011

Next, I removed the cotter pin, retainer and nut from where the tie-rods ends connect to the spindle. Save the nuts and retainers but never re-use cotter pins unless it is an emergency.

012

There are several types of tie-rod separators. The \"pickle-fork\" kind is the easiest but it destroys the joint's rubber boot. For now, I intend to keep the existing joints. The joint separator shown on the right-hand side of the picture (\"scissor\"-type) is pretty effective but it still has a tendency to shred boots. The one on the left is easy on the boots but almost never separates the joint.

013

The \"scissor\" type separator can be tightened with a ratchet but an impact wrench makes it so, so much easier. Once the joint is popped, I lifted the rods out of the way with a chain of tie-wraps looped over the frame.


NOTE:
I have new tie-rod ends but I'm not sure if I'm going to install them myself. The problem is, once I've installed the new ends, I'll have no earthly idea where my alignment is. I suppose I could measure the existing rods or even count the number of exposed threads on my old setup and then duplicate the measurements on the new rods.

Any suggestions?

014

I decided my next step was to remove the upper fasteners for the shock absorbers. No reason. It just seemed like the thing to do.

Much has been written here and elsewhere about how awful a job this is, particularly on the driver's side. Honestly, it wasn't that difficult, it was just extremely tedious because in both instances, you are removing a dirty, obstinate nut using short-leverage hand tools, one-quarter turn at a time.

The passenger-side shock is removed by holding the lower nut still and turning the top nut. The driver's side is the opposite, where you have to hold the top nut still while turning the lower one. No fun at all.

015

The coils come out now. This involves slackening what is probably the toughest fastener in the entire job: the big radius arm bolt that not only fastens the radius arm to the axle but also helps hold down the lower part of the coil.

Using a long 1/2\" breaker, it took pretty much everything I had to pop it. But if my noodle-arms can do it, so can you.

Next, using a small hydraulic jack, I raised the axle up a few inches.

016

The coil is fastened at the top by a metal tab which is secured by a small bolt. Remove the bolt and tab. Make sure you save them! Note that the retailing tab fits into a notched recess on the frame.

Now, slowly lower the floor-jack. The coil will tip out. Rotate the coil 180 degrees. With a bit of turning, twisting and tugging the coil WILL come out of it's lower mount. I'm not sure it matters much, but I made a note of which side of the vehicle each coils came from using colored tie-wraps so i can put the back on their original sides. Probably doesn't matter.

017

In anticipation of the last few steps (particularly, removing the axle bolts), I raised each axle up on small three-ton jackstands at a point I guessed was the mass-center of the axle, pretty near the sway bushing.

With the coils out of the way, removing the lower shock mounts is super-easy. A short breaker loosened the nut and a ratchet finished the job.

018

Using a 1/2\" ratchet on the lower nut and an impact wrench on the bolt, the radius-to-axle fasteners are removed. The plastic coil-insulator was more misshapen than I was expecting, so I'm probably going to get new ones.

019

The radius arm is held to the frame by three pretty big bolts. I had to use a large breaker to loosen them but a ratchet did them the rest of the way. After that, the radius arm is fairly easy to remove.

020

The bolt for the passenger side axle is frontmost, so it is removed first. In the photo, you can see I have a long breaker-bar augmented by a length of pipe. This is not only to give me a bit more leverage but it also allows me to stand up outside the wheel-well when applying force to the bar, rather than from a lying or sitting position.

Once the bolt broke, the impact wrench finished the task using a box wrench on the nut. The axle was balanced on the small jackstand, so it was fairly easy to just tip it out from under the vehicle.

021

The other axle nut comes off the same way except you'll be pushing down on the breaker.

022

THAT'S IT!! ALL DONE!!


I'm still waiting for a few fasteners to arrive at my Ford dealer. But otherwise I have everything I need to put the front-end back together. I'll post all that as soon as I can!

THANKS!!!
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That just seems really strange. I'm going to be out in grub clothes tomorrow (HAPPY THANKSGIVING Y'ALL!!!) and I'll check torque on ours. It's a 1-3/8\" Hellwig bar on a 2002 E450 using the longer OEM-Sized bolts Hellwig provided. I'll let you know right away what I find. A little longer if they're hogged out and make me cry...

Yes, you can upgrade the brakes only.

You'd need Calipers AND their brackets plus of course the Rotors, AND be sure to get the late model splash pans.I don't know how those parts would price out separately from a place like Quigley, though.

Should be fine, on a coach with limited miles on the OEM parts. Otherwise, it's worth it to get all-new ball joints and bushings, PLUS the updated Radius Arms.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-11-26T03:48:26.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-11-26T03:48:26.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":483},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1837215/message:1837247","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"831","rawBody":"I really can't imagine 100-ft-lb on Sway Bar to Cross Member bolts. That just seems really strange. I'm going to be out in grub clothes tomorrow (HAPPY THANKSGIVING Y'ALL!!!) and I'll check torque on ours. It's a 1-3/8\" Hellwig bar on a 2002 E450 using the longer OEM-Sized bolts Hellwig provided. I'll let you know right away what I find. A little longer if they're hogged out and make me cry...

Yes, you can upgrade the brakes only.

You'd need Calipers AND their brackets plus of course the Rotors, AND be sure to get the late model splash pans.I don't know how those parts would price out separately from a place like Quigley, though.

Should be fine, on a coach with limited miles on the OEM parts. Otherwise, it's worth it to get all-new ball joints and bushings, PLUS the updated Radius Arms.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1837247_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837246":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1837246","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1837246":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:735"},"id":"message:1837246","revisionNum":1,"uid":1837246,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1837215"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1837215"},"subject":"Re: Front End Upgrade (many pictures)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837246"},"body":"
j-d wrote:
The bar-to-frame brackets must not get all that much strain since those bushings rarely wear out. I've replaced lots of end link bushings, don't know if I've ever changed the frame ones.


I think you've got this figured out. I mean, how much strain could these bolts be under, right? Well, I am a paranoid type AND I promised the wife that there would be no \"compromise\" efforts on the front-end upgrade.

So, I tapped a hole in the frame to allow for the larger bolt and, big surprise, the hole stripped out at 40 ft-lbs, well short of the 110 ft-lbs Ford specified. So, I hired a welder to come out and weld the Hellig sway-bar brackets to the frame. It's probably massive overkill but I figure it's still easier and cheaper than having the sway-bar bust loose in some awful rural hell-hole.

As soon as I can, I will post the final pictures of the upgrade, but, honestly, j-d's photos provide as much information as I could hope to provide. The thing to remember in this project is it really is a big bunch of work. You really need the proper torque wrenches, too, to be totally sure you've done the right things.

Also, for the record, the 2014 brakes are massively, hugely, totally, utterly better than the 2007 brakes. No comparison. I'm not totally sure you could upgrade only the calipers and rotors, but I'm pretty sure you can.

If I had to confine myself to only a few upgrades, I'd do the brakes and alignment. Maybe the shocks, too. But the brakes and \"harvard\" alignment really did the deed.

Hit the road, Jack.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-11-25T18:00:00.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-11-25T18:00:00.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":483},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1837215/message:1837246","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1640","rawBody":"
j-d wrote:
The bar-to-frame brackets must not get all that much strain since those bushings rarely wear out. I've replaced lots of end link bushings, don't know if I've ever changed the frame ones.


I think you've got this figured out. I mean, how much strain could these bolts be under, right? Well, I am a paranoid type AND I promised the wife that there would be no \"compromise\" efforts on the front-end upgrade.

So, I tapped a hole in the frame to allow for the larger bolt and, big surprise, the hole stripped out at 40 ft-lbs, well short of the 110 ft-lbs Ford specified. So, I hired a welder to come out and weld the Hellig sway-bar brackets to the frame. It's probably massive overkill but I figure it's still easier and cheaper than having the sway-bar bust loose in some awful rural hell-hole.

As soon as I can, I will post the final pictures of the upgrade, but, honestly, j-d's photos provide as much information as I could hope to provide. The thing to remember in this project is it really is a big bunch of work. You really need the proper torque wrenches, too, to be totally sure you've done the right things.

Also, for the record, the 2014 brakes are massively, hugely, totally, utterly better than the 2007 brakes. No comparison. I'm not totally sure you could upgrade only the calipers and rotors, but I'm pretty sure you can.

If I had to confine myself to only a few upgrades, I'd do the brakes and alignment. Maybe the shocks, too. But the brakes and \"harvard\" alignment really did the deed.

Hit the road, Jack.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1837246_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837245":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1837245","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1837245":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:735"},"id":"message:1837245","revisionNum":1,"uid":1837245,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1837215"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1837215"},"subject":"Re: Front End Upgrade (many pictures)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837245"},"body":"
j-d wrote:
If the holes line up, I'd say Option 2. Look up the permissible torque for your new bolts and don't go above it. Put at least Blue, maybe even Red, LocTite on the threads.

Is it possible to get a NUT into the frame? I doubt it, but thought I'd ask.


Nope, there isn't room to get a nut in there because I checked!! That's exactly what I was thinking - it seemed like the most practical solution to me, too. But, no, there's juts a few gaps to allow for, I assume, drainage but not a nut. If I could get a nut and washer on the other side of the bolt, this would be a no-brainer, for sure.

But, okay, I just wanted to see if my work-around made any sense. I really hate half-assed work but I am looking at a strange situation that sometimes happens when you are doing non-standard work.

Thanks, j-d, I appreciate your advice. I'm definitely going to add the thread-locker to this.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-08-04T17:03:49.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-08-04T17:03:49.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":483},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1837215/message:1837245","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"969","rawBody":"
j-d wrote:
If the holes line up, I'd say Option 2. Look up the permissible torque for your new bolts and don't go above it. Put at least Blue, maybe even Red, LocTite on the threads.

Is it possible to get a NUT into the frame? I doubt it, but thought I'd ask.


Nope, there isn't room to get a nut in there because I checked!! That's exactly what I was thinking - it seemed like the most practical solution to me, too. But, no, there's juts a few gaps to allow for, I assume, drainage but not a nut. If I could get a nut and washer on the other side of the bolt, this would be a no-brainer, for sure.

But, okay, I just wanted to see if my work-around made any sense. I really hate half-assed work but I am looking at a strange situation that sometimes happens when you are doing non-standard work.

Thanks, j-d, I appreciate your advice. I'm definitely going to add the thread-locker to this.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1837245_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837244":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1837244","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1837244":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:395376"},"id":"message:1837244","revisionNum":1,"uid":1837244,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1837215"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1837215"},"subject":"Re: Front End Upgrade (many pictures)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837244"},"body":"Hellwig 7718 Sway Bar?

I really don't get Ford's change in fastener size. The bar-to-frame brackets must not get all that much strain since those bushings rarely wear out. I've replaced lots of end link bushings, don't know if I've ever changed the frame ones. And if Ford felt they needed an upgrade, why only the forward ones?

Is the spacing of the Fore and Aft bolt holes the same on your 2007/earlier Ford brackets and the 2008/later Hellwig brackets?

If the holes line up, I'd say Option 2. Look up the permissible torque for your new bolts and don't go above it. Put at least Blue, maybe even Red, LocTite on the threads.

Is it possible to get a NUT into the frame? I doubt it, but thought I'd ask.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-08-04T15:35:07.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-08-04T15:35:07.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":483},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1837215/message:1837244","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"750","rawBody":"Hellwig 7718 Sway Bar?

I really don't get Ford's change in fastener size. The bar-to-frame brackets must not get all that much strain since those bushings rarely wear out. I've replaced lots of end link bushings, don't know if I've ever changed the frame ones. And if Ford felt they needed an upgrade, why only the forward ones?

Is the spacing of the Fore and Aft bolt holes the same on your 2007/earlier Ford brackets and the 2008/later Hellwig brackets?

If the holes line up, I'd say Option 2. Look up the permissible torque for your new bolts and don't go above it. Put at least Blue, maybe even Red, LocTite on the threads.

Is it possible to get a NUT into the frame? I doubt it, but thought I'd ask.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1837244_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837243":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1837243","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1837243":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:735"},"id":"message:1837243","revisionNum":1,"uid":1837243,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1837215"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1837215"},"subject":"Re: Front End Upgrade (many pictures)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837243"},"body":"The re-build is coming along well and I'll have new pictures up as soon as I'm done but I've run in to a small snag and I could use some opinions here.

I'm upgrading to the much better Hellwig sway-bar. The 2007 sway bar is fastened to the frame with four identical bolts, each one tightened down to 18 pounds. The Post-2007 sway bar is fastened with two different-sized bolts: the rearward bolts are the same as the 2007 sway bar but the frontward ones are considerably bigger and they are snugged down to 111 pounds. The way I see it I have three options:

1: go with the original bolts all around.
2: go with upgraded 10.9 grade steel bolts and tighten them to say 60 or 70 pounds
3: using a tap, re-thread the hole on the frame to accommodate the larger bolt



My inclination is to go with Option 2. I'm not sure the original bolts can or should be tightened any more than spec. I got new 10.9 grade bolts (see picture) from Fastenal which should be able to handle a lot more torque.

I'm reluctant to drill/tap a new hole because it always seems to me that home-tapped threads are never as strong or precise as factory-cut threads, especially if it's going to have over a hundred pounds of torque on it.

Anyway, whatcha think, kids? I know this seems like I'm over-thinking this, perhaps, but it was my goal from the outset to make this project as good and safe as I can.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-08-04T14:50:15.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-08-04T14:50:15.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":483},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1837215/message:1837243","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1502","rawBody":"The re-build is coming along well and I'll have new pictures up as soon as I'm done but I've run in to a small snag and I could use some opinions here.

I'm upgrading to the much better Hellwig sway-bar. The 2007 sway bar is fastened to the frame with four identical bolts, each one tightened down to 18 pounds. The Post-2007 sway bar is fastened with two different-sized bolts: the rearward bolts are the same as the 2007 sway bar but the frontward ones are considerably bigger and they are snugged down to 111 pounds. The way I see it I have three options:

1: go with the original bolts all around.
2: go with upgraded 10.9 grade steel bolts and tighten them to say 60 or 70 pounds
3: using a tap, re-thread the hole on the frame to accommodate the larger bolt



My inclination is to go with Option 2. I'm not sure the original bolts can or should be tightened any more than spec. I got new 10.9 grade bolts (see picture) from Fastenal which should be able to handle a lot more torque.

I'm reluctant to drill/tap a new hole because it always seems to me that home-tapped threads are never as strong or precise as factory-cut threads, especially if it's going to have over a hundred pounds of torque on it.

Anyway, whatcha think, kids? I know this seems like I'm over-thinking this, perhaps, but it was my goal from the outset to make this project as good and safe as I can.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1837243_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837242":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1837242","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1837242":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:395376"},"id":"message:1837242","revisionNum":1,"uid":1837242,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1837215"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1837215"},"subject":"Re: Front End Upgrade (many pictures)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837242"},"body":"There wasn't much to save at Fastenal. Maybe with \"an account\" but not much over the counter \"Cash Customer.\" Ford's changed the way they installed the front shocks. My take-offs came with their retaining washer and rubber bumper at the bottom end, but not the top fastener. It's now Nut, Washer, Bumper all in one. I think I paid around $10 each for the two.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-07-13T13:55:21.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-07-13T13:55:21.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":483},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1837215/message:1837242","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"359","rawBody":"There wasn't much to save at Fastenal. Maybe with \"an account\" but not much over the counter \"Cash Customer.\" Ford's changed the way they installed the front shocks. My take-offs came with their retaining washer and rubber bumper at the bottom end, but not the top fastener. It's now Nut, Washer, Bumper all in one. I think I paid around $10 each for the two.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1837242_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837241":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1837241","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1837241":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:735"},"id":"message:1837241","revisionNum":1,"uid":1837241,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1837215"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1837215"},"subject":"Re: Front End Upgrade (many pictures)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837241"},"body":"
j-d wrote:
I didn't think to see if the U-Bolts offered the 18MM nuts needed for the bolts Quigley doesn't supply for the Radius Arm-to-Frame Bracket attachment. Could save probably $10 right there. That's half a brake hose...


I never even thought to check.

Unfortunately, they're not a replacement. :( Would've nice, though. OEM parts at the counter are crazy-expensive. I'm going to get the axle nuts and radius bolt nuts at Fastenal just to save a few bucks.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-07-13T13:05:01.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-07-13T13:05:01.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":483},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1837215/message:1837241","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"517","rawBody":"
j-d wrote:
I didn't think to see if the U-Bolts offered the 18MM nuts needed for the bolts Quigley doesn't supply for the Radius Arm-to-Frame Bracket attachment. Could save probably $10 right there. That's half a brake hose...


I never even thought to check.

Unfortunately, they're not a replacement. :( Would've nice, though. OEM parts at the counter are crazy-expensive. I'm going to get the axle nuts and radius bolt nuts at Fastenal just to save a few bucks.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1837241_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837240":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1837240","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1837240":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:735"},"id":"message:1837240","revisionNum":1,"uid":1837240,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1837215"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1837215"},"subject":"Re: Front End Upgrade (many pictures)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837240"},"body":"
ron.dittmer wrote:
Sorry deprived for the Off-Topic distraction.


No, man! It's a good one!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"97","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-07-13T12:58:57.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-07-13T12:58:57.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":483},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1837215/message:1837240","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"132","rawBody":"
ron.dittmer wrote:
Sorry deprived for the Off-Topic distraction.


No, man! It's a good one!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1837240_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"Rank:rank:40":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:40","position":31,"name":"Explorer III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:83233":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:83233","uid":83233,"login":"ron_dittmer","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-02-26T10:41:53.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:83233"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837239":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1837239","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1837239":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:83233"},"id":"message:1837239","revisionNum":1,"uid":1837239,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1837215"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1837215"},"subject":"Re: Front End Upgrade (many pictures)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1837239"},"body":"
j-d wrote:
Ron, CONGRATULATIONS!!! You're right, it all changes from here forward. Is that great-grand-mother there in the pix? Our daughters (and GIRLS ROCK!!!) didn't get that. Two grand-mothers and that was it.

Retire and you won't have any more time than you do now. No more than I have. You'll join the \"I don't know how I ever had time to WORK\" crowd.
Thanks j-d!

Yep, That's my Mom, great grandmother turning 91 next month, and my son, 4 generations together in one picture.

I hear that from the retired all the time \"I don't know how I ever had time to WORK\". I want to have that problem so badly.

Sorry deprived for the Off-Topic distraction.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-07-13T12:14:38.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-07-13T12:14:38.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":483},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1837215/message:1837239","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"726","rawBody":"
j-d wrote:
Ron, CONGRATULATIONS!!! You're right, it all changes from here forward. Is that great-grand-mother there in the pix? Our daughters (and GIRLS ROCK!!!) didn't get that. Two grand-mothers and that was it.

Retire and you won't have any more time than you do now. No more than I have. You'll join the \"I don't know how I ever had time to WORK\" crowd.
Thanks j-d!

Yep, That's my Mom, great grandmother turning 91 next month, and my son, 4 generations together in one picture.

I hear that from the retired all the time \"I don't know how I ever had time to WORK\". I want to have that problem so badly.

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