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- 3_tonsExplorer IIISent you a PM...
- hinterlandExplorerLooks like we are getting a model of the EC that was before Adventurer "improved" "cut costs" on the EC. That might be why there are no brochures to be found anywhere??
3 tons wrote:
FWIW,
Eagle Cap of La Grande OR was bought and brought out of bankruptcy in about 2006 by Okanagan’s Owner Chris Epp...It was in this era that EC’s began to gain some design influence from Okanagan’s innovative design team...In about 2011 Chris (due to illness) sold Eagle Cap to his brother James Epp, the Owner of Adventurer in Canada who later relocated the EC factory from La Grande to the former post 2008 bankrupt Alpenlite facility in Yakama, WA.
The second build generation EC’s (beginning about a year before EC’s 2006 bankruptcy) had (*) full front and rear fiberglass caps and true fiberglass sidewalls (no luan underlayment), but was discontinued at Yakama due to cost, and replaced with a premium Lamilux 4000 high luster roll-out material...
*this industry leading redesign and material upgrade (pre-bankruptcy) was intended to overcome the many first generation costly warranty delamination re-works due to water intrusion, by avoiding the use of industry standard luan and filon....It was this costly redesign that helped lead to first generation EC’s bankruptcy...
3 tons - 3_tonsExplorer IIIFWIW,
Eagle Cap of La Grande OR was bought and brought out of bankruptcy in about 2006 by Okanagan’s Owner Chris Epp...It was in this era that EC’s began to gain some design influence from Okanagan’s innovative design team...In about 2011 Chris (due to illness) sold Eagle Cap to his brother James Epp, the Owner of Adventurer in Canada who later relocated the EC factory from La Grande to the former post 2008 bankrupt Alpenlite facility in Yakama, WA.
The second build generation EC’s (beginning about a year before EC’s 2006 bankruptcy) had (*) full front and rear fiberglass caps and true fiberglass sidewalls (no luan underlayment), but was discontinued at Yakama due to cost, and replaced with a premium Lamilux 4000 high luster roll-out material...
*this industry leading redesign and material upgrade (pre-bankruptcy) was intended to overcome the many first generation costly warranty delamination re-works due to water intrusion, by avoiding the use of industry standard luan and filon....It was this costly redesign that helped lead to first generation EC’s bankruptcy...
3 tons - hinterlandExplorer
JimK-NY wrote:
I stand corrected. It appears that the old 855 was a lot lighter than any of the models currently available. Even so that 3275# estimate will turn out to be on the low side. Check this brochure and you will quickly see the weight is for a stripped down model without microwave, without awnings, not even a TV antenna or a stereo.
https://recreationalvehicles.info/2010-alp-eagle-cap-truck-campers/2010-alp-eagle-cap-truck-campers-brochure.pdf
That 3275# estimate is likely to hit a loaded weight, minus passengers, well over 4000# and probably closer to 4500#.
Looks like the 2008 855 was built before the brand was bought by Adventurer. There is no microwave etc. So, will be watching the weight at the scales. Thank you - hinterlandExplorer
3 tons wrote:
Good luck, had our 995 since new in 2009 and its been outstanding...
3 tons
Thank You! - 3_tonsExplorer IIIGood luck, had our 995 since new in 2009 and its been outstanding...
3 tons - Bert_the_WelderExplorer II
JimK-NY wrote:
Bert the Welder wrote:
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If his truck payload is 3800+ as he stated, I'd think he could push up to 4200 and be fine.......
Except tires, not suspension, are usually the limitation. Personally I worry driving on substantially overloaded tires. Going to 19.5 wheels and rims is very expensive. Depending on rim size trying to go to oversized tires with higher load ratings may be difficult and might mean a substantial change in tire circumference and driving characteristics.
Anyway, it seems that the OP has decided on the EC. Hopefully we will get a report on the actual loaded weight.
Yes, agree. I was thinking in terms of how the combo acts (sway/porposing, etc) when I said "handling".
Tires should, to me, always be the first thing looked at when someone wants to push the lbs they're loading. And if swapping out wheels, other then 19.5's, one definitely needs to check tire selection/availability for the the rim size they are looking at. That and rim fit were what took the longest when I up'd my rims/tires from stock. And I wanted with-in spec fit, not "yeah, should be OK" fit, as I heard from one place when inquiring about rim to tire fit. I did need her lifted a bit for the new wheels. - JimK-NYExplorer II
Bert the Welder wrote:
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If his truck payload is 3800+ as he stated, I'd think he could push up to 4200 and be fine.......
Except tires, not suspension, are usually the limitation. Personally I worry driving on substantially overloaded tires. Going to 19.5 wheels and rims is very expensive. Depending on rim size trying to go to oversized tires with higher load ratings may be difficult and might mean a substantial change in tire circumference and driving characteristics.
Anyway, it seems that the OP has decided on the EC. Hopefully we will get a report on the actual loaded weight. - hinterlandExplorerWe ended up buying the Eagle Cap, real nice solid unit and well made. Thanks for all the feedback.
- Bert_the_WelderExplorer II
JimK-NY wrote:
I stand corrected. It appears that the old 855 was a lot lighter than any of the models currently available. Even so that 3275# estimate will turn out to be on the low side. Check this brochure and you will quickly see the weight is for a stripped down model without microwave, without awnings, not even a TV antenna or a stereo.
https://recreationalvehicles.info/2010-alp-eagle-cap-truck-campers/2010-alp-eagle-cap-truck-campers-brochure.pdf
That 3275# estimate is likely to hit a loaded weight, minus passengers, well over 4000# and probably closer to 4500#.
I immediately thought the same. "Eagle Cap? Those are HUGE!" But then I saw it was a comparatively small one to modern units.
If his truck payload is 3800+ as he stated, I'd think he could push up to 4200 and be fine. Maybe some bags and a sway bar. If getting into the 4500+lb range, IMO and experience, it's not worth the blood pressure. My current pair is quite mismatched but the truck with add-ons handles the weight. It's just a 'heads-up' type of driving and gets more tiresome the older I get. LOL! Looking forward to the new dually.
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