Hi,I am looking to get a one ton diesel SRW truck to tow a fairly heavy fifth wheel. I need one that will have sufficient payload to safely tow a trailer with a 2500 pound pin weight plus cargo, etc. and I really don't want to get a dually if I can avoid it. I am looking for a long bed with a trim package equivalent to the Lariat, Laramie, etc.Which of the Big Three has the highest payload rating? I would think that they would be fairly close but...From what I have found so far in researching just Ford and Dodge it seems that an equivalently equipped long bed diesel in the high end trim package that the Ford has about 3200 pounds of payload but the Dodge has about 4200. Can this be right? That seems like a huge discrepency. Am I missing something here? How does the Chevy compare? thanksMatt

Remember that Ford has renamed it's 1 ton dually as the F-450. That may be the source of the difference.

So ford doesn’t make an F350 dually? I thought the 450 was different.

“Which of the Big Three has the highest payload rating?”And you couldn’t determine this online because...? Not a great deal of thinking going on on your part IMO.

“equivalently.” Equally equipped? You are missing...something.

Strange, I built a SRW F350 on Fords website a couple of days ago.

Which 1 Ton SRW Diesel Truck Has Highest Payload???

Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Mar 05, 2018
4x4ord wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:

Please explain how I can load to my RAWR and NOT be over my GVWR. Why have a RAWR if I can't load to its limits.

If I load the front of my truck box with some 10" blocks and put some bags of Portland cement at the back of the box I might have placed 1400 lbs in the bed of my truck but because the heavier product is at the back I've lifted 100 lbs off the front axle. Now I hook onto my bobcat trailer that puts 1800 lbs on the ball. This removes another 500 lbs off my front axle and places 2300 lbs on my rear axle. So I've added 3800 lbs to my rear axle and removed 600 lbs from my front axle.

My rear axle is maxed out at 7300 lbs and my front axle is at 4750 - 600 or 4150 lbs. I've got my rear axle at maximum rated capacity and I'm still under my gvwr.

Edit: The previous numbers were just kind of pulled out of the air. After actually measuring the distance from the rear axle to my hitch receiver I see that putting 1800 lb of tongue weight on the rear hitch ball would transfer about 700 lbs from the front to the rear axle. So the bed of the truck could be loaded such that 100 lbs of the 1400 lbs goes on the front axle and the remaining 1300 on the rear.

I'm betting it's a little loose feeling to drive.
4x4ord
Explorer III
Mar 05, 2018
Cummins12V98 wrote:

Please explain how I can load to my RAWR and NOT be over my GVWR. Why have a RAWR if I can't load to its limits.

If I load the front of my truck box with some 10" blocks and put some bags of Portland cement at the back of the box I might have placed 1400 lbs in the bed of my truck but because the heavier product is at the back I've lifted 100 lbs off the front axle. Now I hook onto my bobcat trailer that puts 1800 lbs on the ball. This removes another 500 lbs off my front axle and places 2300 lbs on my rear axle. So I've added 3800 lbs to my rear axle and removed 600 lbs from my front axle.

My rear axle is maxed out at 7300 lbs and my front axle is at 4750 - 600 or 4150 lbs. I've got my rear axle at maximum rated capacity and I'm still under my gvwr.

Edit: The previous numbers were just kind of pulled out of the air. After actually measuring the distance from the rear axle to my hitch receiver I see that putting 1800 lb of tongue weight on the rear hitch ball would transfer about 700 lbs from the front to the rear axle. So the bed of the truck could be loaded such that 100 lbs of the 1400 lbs goes on the front axle and the remaining 1300 on the rear.
JIMNLIN
Explorer III
Mar 05, 2018
For me the fact that the registered weight rating is what is used is sort of a flaw in the system.
Often the owner can decide what weight to register the vehicle at. The owner typically basis his decision on his wallet and not any real science.

I see this posted continually on rv websites ....... anyways keep in mind not all states have some kind gvw or tonnage/weight/etc to register a non commercial truck. My state as maybe others has no gross weight for non commercial vehicle registration.
Huntindog
Explorer
Mar 05, 2018
Me Again wrote:
Huntindog wrote:
Me Again wrote:
BTW all recently produced vehicles and traikers have a carrying capacity sticker that is the GVWR minus the actual weight as manufactured. This sticker is yellow or the part with this info is yellow. Look again.
I have already looked. MY 2011 sticker is 100% silver with black print... And as an aside my axle weights add up to more than the GVWR, by quite a bit. GVWR is 13K. Axle ratings total over 15K.... GM COULD have put 14K as the GVWR and stayed in the same classification... They chose not to.
There must be a reason for that.

Your door placard does not contain this info?

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/tiretech/checking_tire_press/placard_detail.jpg&imgrefurl=https://tires.tirerack.com/tires/Recommended%20Tire%20Pressure&h=218&w=600&tbnid=l33XGhHvWZQJHM&tbnh=135&tbnw=373&usg=__EPtYTOupwWMogrnHwC-IBZyA26U=&docid=ZdAt41aNMx4soM#h=218&imgdii=TsWONOYJJicB3M:&tbnh=135&tbnw=373&w=600
Your link goes directly to a sticker that has some yellow. But the only info on that sticker is basically tire info. No GVWR at all. Also no front or rear axle ratings. Simply tire size, and pressures. But your link has many pics to look at. Some of them show the silver sticker like I have. The silver stickers have much more info on them that pertains to this conversation. GVWR AND individual axle ratings. None of the yellow ones I clicked on show anything other than tire size, pressures and what the maximum cargo should be.

Thank you for posting that. It is not often that someone I am having a debate with posts a link that proves what I am saying. Usually they just sit back and demand that I prove it.

I appreciate your effort.:B
Me_Again
Explorer III
Mar 05, 2018
Huntindog wrote:
Me Again wrote:
BTW all recently produced vehicles and traikers have a carrying capacity sticker that is the GVWR minus the actual weight as manufactured. This sticker is yellow or the part with this info is yellow. Look again.
I have already looked. MY 2011 sticker is 100% silver with black print... And as an aside my axle weights add up to more than the GVWR, by quite a bit. GVWR is 13K. Axle ratings total over 15K.... GM COULD have put 14K as the GVWR and stayed in the same classification... They chose not to.
There must be a reason for that.

Your door placard does not contain this info?

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/tiretech/checking_tire_press/placard_detail.jpg&imgrefurl=https://tires.tirerack.com/tires/Recommended%20Tire%20Pressure&h=218&w=600&tbnid=l33XGhHvWZQJHM&tbnh=135&tbnw=373&usg=__EPtYTOupwWMogrnHwC-IBZyA26U=&docid=ZdAt41aNMx4soM#h=218&imgdii=TsWONOYJJicB3M:&tbnh=135&tbnw=373&w=600
Lantley
Nomad
Mar 05, 2018
spoon059 wrote:
Yes.:W
I don't haul commercial, but I enforce traffic law. No traffic law exists that has anything to do with the yellow sticker... The only weight enforceable options that I have in Maryland are Tire rating, registered weight rating and federal bridge rating per inch width of tire.

For me the fact that the registered weight rating is what is used is sort of a flaw in the system.
Often the owner can decide what weight to register the vehicle at. The owner typically basis his decision on his wallet and not any real science.
blt2ski
Moderator
Mar 05, 2018
Huntingdog,
FYI, my Navistar gvw is the.total of the raw and faw combined. 12200 rear, 6000 front, total 18200. Got pulled over at 27200, got a 10 day up paid for.registration to 28000. I.was 1000 lbs per axle under FBL axle load limits.
Have to admit too, got a $170 or so ticket for.looking pea gravel out the barn doors on back. Had to move rock so it was not falling out. Along with.dealing with.a moving violation ticket. Being over registration is not a moving violation, that would not go on your driving record.

But as many have noted, the door sticker number is warranty related. It is not enforced by an LEO. If a jurisdiction in the states enforces the door sticker amount, they can loose federal funding of roads, assuming federal funds are asked for. That is written in the federal bridge laws.

Marty
blt2ski
Moderator
Mar 05, 2018
wnjj wrote:
Actually Washington cares about GVWR when it comes to chain laws: https://www.wsdot.com/winter/traction.htm

That’s an example of outdated laws that haven’t kept up with the times. 10,000 lbs used to mean “commercial” style trucks and not your average commuter pickup truck.

Even with the wording used, they IE WSP who would enforce this on the passes here in Washington will probably use your paper registration vs door sticker gvwr. Or do the sum of tow rig plus trailer axle amount.
When I used my TT as a ski hut in the winter, if the chain required for over 10k was up, I chains the rear of my 4wd truck, and rear axle of trailer. Yeah I was only required to have one tire on trailer.....felt better with two.
Oregon, California, Montana and Idaho have similar chain up laws and rules.

Marty
Huntindog
Explorer
Mar 05, 2018
Me Again wrote:
BTW all recently produced vehicles and traikers have a carrying capacity sticker that is the GVWR minus the actual weight as manufactured. This sticker is yellow or the part with this info is yellow. Look again.
I have already looked. MY 2011 sticker is 100% silver with black print... And as an aside my axle weights add up to more than the GVWR, by quite a bit. GVWR is 13K. Axle ratings total over 15K.... GM COULD have put 14K as the GVWR and stayed in the same classification... They chose not to.
There must be a reason for that.
Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Mar 05, 2018
Huntindog wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
"What does confuse the issue is taxes and weight enforcement."

THIS is exactly why my Dually and all newer DRW pickups INCLUDING the f450 have 14K GVWR. If one pound over that it puts them in a Commercial classification!

Speaking of IRV2 I was kicked off there from stating my 14K was only there for licensing and tax purposes having that argument with SmokyWren I believe was the Moderators name. They actually accused me trying to sell my new truck and RV as an excuse to kick me off.

My argument was how can I have a SAE rated RAWR of 9,750# and load it to that and ONLY use my unloaded front axle weight of about 5,300# add these you get 15K.

He INSISTED I was overweight even tho I have tonnage to cover my actual 15,600# loaded truck weight.
I don't think I have ever seen a vehicle where the axle ratings added up to the GVWR. They always add up to more. Has nothing to do with a dually or classification. More to do with leeway for load distribution.

Please explain how I can load to my RAWR and NOT be over my GVWR. Why have a RAWR if I can't load to its limits.