Refused entry with a truck & camper

A person needs years and years of experience dealing with professional bureaucrats down here to understand the process. This is an AUTOCRACY and NOT a DEMOCRACY. There are NEVER general referendums to vote on. One sniff of interference by the US government and Mexico will go howling to the OAS and UN, screaming "There They Go Again! Interfering In Our Politics!" I am a Mexican citizen. Mexicans are so sensitive about interference I let Jesus proxy for me at our "reunions", meetings of the ejido which I am a member of, in Chucutitan. I own 5 hectarias of mango trees, an orchard. In the USA a Mexican who has become a citizen of the USA has a voice. If you think the inverse is true down here you need a radical reality check. By staying OUT of ejido affairs I have had strangers approach, shake my hand and say "Gracias, Don David" for projects fought for like street lights for for highway school bus stop, the first aid building, beach parking area lighting.

Like it or not people get paid to sacrifice their eligibility and forfeit Aduana deposits to bring a nice new pickup down here and sell it. It gets phony plates and is driven locally where the SSP the federal police who check VIN fraud by radio and laptop NEVER operate. Try cities of 2,000,000 or more. Monterrey, Puebla, Guadalajara, Zapoapan, or rural farm areas of Obregon, Mochis, Veracruz, Uruapan,etc.

Hundreds of cars a year end up parted out. Celso was quoted nine thousand dollars for a complete Jeep setup including motor, harnesses and computer for a near new Jeep. Need a seat for a 2016 Mercedes S Class? In under a day I can find one in a barrio of Mexico (DF) Think it's from a DOMESTIC vehicle? Surely you dream.

So a lot of this is not directed at RV'ers. They are merely in the blowback. The Mexican executives of Ford, Chevy, Dodge vehicles see the illegal import of motor vehicles as outright robbery. And to say they have clout with the Mexican government may be considered a gross understatement.

So there is a lot at work here. RV'ers have almost no representation.

This is going to be a stiff hill to climb. The right high-ranking person has to take this up with gobernacion. Books, examples and legal "arguments by amateurs", would be a frustrating waste of time. The minimum pay grade of Delagado Federal is the place to start. Perhaps Mr. Tequila's Aduana contact has such a connection.

I can only hope this clarifies some points. After navigating through this for 54 years I have learned avoiding rocks & shoals is smarter than trying to argue my way through them.

Go to this site:

https://contadormx.com

Last paragraph states that pick ups are cargo caring trucks!

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Moisheh -- This is not a political discussion; no one is kicking anyone down the road for voting for someone they don't like. We are speaking of a "process" and reminding you if you are a US citizen that you are not an inconsequential person in your own country and this is not an inconsequential problem happening on US soil if there is a pattern developing for a lengthy period of time along the US/Mexico border (by the way, on the US side of th border, the US government does have jurisdiction, and US soil is where you are sitting because Mexico won't let you cross for one reason or the other.) I cannot speak for other countries as I do not have enough first-hand experience as to how their citizens may operate with respect to their governments. However, as a taxpayer in the US, you actually pay a government employee to conduct diplomacy with another country. With what we are discussing regarding border crossings, we need to put that employee to work. At this point, we need to have that diplomatic foreign service employee find out what problem is going on at the border from his or her Mexican government counterpart. We all certainly know the "effect" of the problem which has been going on for three consecutive seasons. We just need Mexico to identify the problem and attempt to solve it. If it is not solved once identified, then it is up to the State Department to list the identified problem in their routine publication for all tourists wishing to visit Mexico to read, and then we all continue with (what was it you said) our "life experiences."

By the way, this past June, we had wonderful life experiences in Cuba and stayed with a Cuban family. For a week, we had a nice Cuban gentleman (now our friend; he says "frienemy" Ha!) show us all over Havana and outlying areas. All this was made possible by the diplomacy of the Catholic Church and by the Canadian government putting together a meeting in Cuba between Raul Castro and Barack Obama. Government/political process/diplomacy/life experiences all go hand in hand.

Charlston: I certainly was not referring to the US Government. This is a mexico forum and the US Government has no jurisdiction in the problems of a few RV'rs. I don't understand why you would start a political discussion. It will only get this thread locked down! My comment was not political. Mexico is quite different than the USA or Canada. Citizens have very little input into what is happening. The wealthy get their way and the rest get mada! My point was that unfortunately RV travel is maybe 40 % less than just 12 years ago. CG's are closing. Tequila's boss is maybe the only one that can make some changes to that ridiculous ruling. Have you ever dealt with a Mexican bureaucracy? It is extremely difficult. In our community when the citizens are having problems they barricade the main road! You may recall that last season when fuel rose in price the citizens blocked the toll booths. We are mostly tourists and have very little in the way of influence. Lobbying by a foreigner is grounds for expulsion. I might also add that the CG owners never get involved. I am glad that my current truck is just a half ton. In the past I did have a stickered one ton duallie Crew Cab. But that was more than 10 years ago. Even MDT's were getting a TIP. I will pass on any comments on your political rant.

Hi Rocmoc!


Moisheh

charlestonsouthern wrote:
Moisheh -- " I doubt that anything affecting a few RVers is important to the Gov." I'm curious, are you a US citizen; and if so, are you involved in your local, state, and federal political process? Again, if so, do you spend enough time involved in that process that the people who represent you know you by your first name and you theirs? Which government is it? Certainly not the US government--when something as insignificant as a few US citizens gaining a permit to march in Charlottesville, VA to protest the removal of a stupid statue that has been there for eons and the issue blows up like a balloon to become an international event in the media and the US Congress. Also, if you are an involved US citizen, you also know the mid-term elections are coming up. Now, again, which government is it?

Moisheh has been traveling & living in Mexico for nearly 4 DECADES and myself traveling in Mexico for more than a decade. Tho Mexico is not neither of our home Countries there is not a shortage of Mexico knowledge and Moisheh is one of the most knowledgeable on this site. I do know Moisheh's name and this has nothing to do with race or politics, just real world experience.

rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

Tequila wrote:
Well I will see what happens at Reynosa in 3 weeks. I have the name of the head aduana there who has been facilitaing caravans. I may even meet him and get to talk to him. My mexican boss will be there. He assures me no problema.

IMHO this is what can achieve progress. If granted it is an important precedent. Transposing of permission to other POE aduana's would be the only remaining hurdle. If successful the name of the "Head Aduana" would prove to be useful.

I ran into a totally obstinate female Banjercito at Lukeville who was totally convinced the letter B on my VIN was actually a letter Eight. Not even showing her a plaque under the hood worked. I waited three hours for the Jefe de Aduana to show up. His apology "The rules are very strict"

Briansue -- "...... and nothing will happen if people do nothing." ABSOLUTELY!!!

From the other post I referenced above from the email and phone conversations with Aduana which seems to be the same place I am emailing trying to get this figured out.........

I then phoned Aduana and spoke to a fellow who identified himself as a Supervisor in the Vehicle Import area. He told me they are very aware of the situation as they are getting numerous complaints from RVers who are being refused TIPs at the border. He explained that it is NOT their intention to prohibit pickups over 7716 lbs as long as they are for personal, not commercial, use. He said the rules are being misinterpreted by the border people ( Banjercito) and we had a good discussion about GVWR and "cargo capacity".

"He said the rules are being misinterpreted by the border people"

This is what I am trying to figure out and get resolved. To get to that supervisor and get clear definitions of weight classifications in Spanish that somehow explains what GVWR and "capacidad de carga" mean. And to get a phone number we can post here that anyone stopped at the border for this can have the border guys call to get clarification of this rule.

As far as sticker and tags and labels showing GVWR and/or whatever else - that is what I am asking - can people go look in their trucks to see what stickers exist and what they say etc. or whatever. I DO NOT KNOW. I AM ASKING.

It does seem that the posts from last year did get somewhere with this but here it is again. So maybe it can be fixed again and something permanent can be figure out that can be posted here for the future or for people who will need it this year. The pictures I posted came from the same pickup. Maybe others have these - maybe not. I do not know. I am not near a car dealer or I would go ask them if I can look for any tags/labels/stickers related to this. Then maybe we can use whatever information we can find and use it in communications with the people at the other end of the email address - or some of you out there who are better with speaking Spanish than I am can call to speak with someone.

I doubt that anything affecting a few RV'rs is important to the Gov.. I am awaiting to see what happens @ Nogales this season. Will they give 3/4 ton and larger trucks a hard time?

"Waiting to see" does nothing to help. Based on the above posted info from last year they apparently do care somewhere in that office and someone is willing to get it fixed if we can just get through to them and figure it out. Some people wait all their lives and in the end find nothing happened - and nothing will happen if people do nothing.

Moisheh -- " I doubt that anything affecting a few RVers is important to the Gov." I'm curious, are you a US citizen; and if so, are you involved in your local, state, and federal political process? Again, if so, do you spend enough time involved in that process that the people who represent you know you by your first name and you theirs? Which government is it? Certainly not the US government--when something as insignificant as a few US citizens gaining a permit to march in Charlottesville, VA to protest the removal of a stupid statue that has been there for eons and the issue blows up like a balloon to become an international event in the media and the US Congress. Also, if you are an involved US citizen, you also know the mid-term elections are coming up. Now, again, which government is it?

Dealing with Mexican border people is hit and miss. There are some that are smart, kind and really are trying to do a good job. But Gov. jobs are often reserved for people that are connected. Often you get someone that is just warming a seat and knows very little. Every year at Xmas the President goes to some major crossings to assure the Paisanos that they will be safe and not subject to requests for Mordida . Often there are so many problems that as many as 1000 people get fired!! Lately it has improved and there is always a few that are educated and understand many of the rules. When there are problems El Imparcial in HMO will often post a story complete with pictures. Nothing changes.

Here is a story about the Hacienda( they control Aduana). When Donaldo Collosio was running for President he held a number of fund raisers in Magdalena. He was a Rancher and that is Ranch, mining and Drug country. The Ranches are huge and these ranchers are very wealthy. Political donations are often over 1 million USD. One of these ranchers asked Collosio if he could help with a Tax problem ( Hacienda). His response was: I can help with any other problem but please don't ask me to interfere with the Hacienda!

I doubt that anything affecting a few RV'rs is important to the Gov.. I am awaiting to see what happens @ Nogales this season. Will they give 3/4 ton and larger trucks a hard time? Will they also enforce some very strict pet import problems? Nothing has been reported from either San Carlos or Kino residents but Sonora is part of the No Hassle zone and these residents do not have to stop for TIP's .

Brian. Every truck has a metal tag . Either on the door or the door jamb. It shows tire size, axle weight limitations and GVRW. If it is just a half ton that is everything. If it is a heavier truck with towing or camper options it will have another label. They are probably loking at the door label. Or maybe at some of those crossing they see dual wheels and that sets of bells! There is also the possibility that some Registrations will show GVRW. I think BC does.

Moisheh