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Nov 27, 2015

The Church Book - Camping Mexico's Baja

The Mike and Terri Church Book. First let me say it must be a tedious and thankless job to slog through all the details that putting together this book takes. Much of it is very good. But because it is already 4-5 years out of date many things have changed DRASTICALLY. Here are some of the most important.

GAS STATIONS; there is a lot made in the book of being cheated by gas station boys by not zeroing pumps from the previous purchases and shorting change. Forget everything in the book. The VAST MAJORITY of Pemex stations (if not all) are equipped with electronic pumps that automatically zero themselves out from the last transaction (as pumps have for many years) Many Pemex are now Self Service just like in the USA. The bigger and newer stations may have self-serve and serviced pumps. Use the self-service.

Contrary to what is written in the book Every Pemex we went to took Credit cards. Even in small towns. AND in every case where we paid cash the gas station boys were scrupulous about giving us the right change and in many cases gave us more change than we had coming because there were leftover centavos. So if the bill was 150.30 Pesos they gave me 50 pesos in change. I always spoke Spanish to them and I don’t know if this made any difference as many spoke some English but they can’t keep the pumps open. So RELAX on this point it’s easy and straight forward.

CREDIT CARDS: We found that many larger Mercados and certainly the larger chain supermarkets all take credit Cards. I used a combination of Pesos and Credit Cards. This is true even in the smaller places.

Driving and Roads: I find the Mexican roads in the BAJA for the most part easy and enjoyable to drive. Yes there are challenging parts and narrow sections that require a heightened state of attention. But by and large there is nothing that should cause too much concern. Anyone decently competent in driving their rig will be able to negotiate the Baja roads.

Military Checkpoints: Many Americans I think are scared off by the idea of the Military Checkpoints in Mexico. In EVERY case (4) where we have been stopped and searched at a Military Checkpoint the young soldiers have been exceedingly polite, careful and respectful of us, our rig and our things. All spoke some level of English more than enough to do their jobs well. As I accompanied them through our trailer no matter where they looked or what cabinet they opened they were always careful to return things to their original place. (US Customs are you listening?)

In these cases I greeted them in Spanish but switched to English and stayed there. This comes from long experience with dealing with soldiers and checkpoints around the world. I think that you have nothing to fear from these checkpoints. These soldiers do not have that overbearing “Command Presence” and attitude you find among so many of our uniformed officers in the states whether Police or Customs or the local Dog Catcher. These young soldiers are simply doing their job and stopping all Mexican vehicles as well as tourist ones.

In summation; the Mike and Terri Church book, Camping in Mexico's Baja, is a great resource. A great foundation. But it is out of date and out of step with the realities of the Baja in 2015. Definitely get it and take it with you. But realize it’s shortcomings and don’t take it as Gospel.

Many of their RV park descriptions are accurate even to this day. Prices may be lower than are quoted in the book. But many of the highly touted parks I think have “rested on their laurels” and have declined. New ones have sprung up and offer a great experience.
We will have more updates as we go along and hope to bring you more of the reality of the day-to-day experience of traveling the Baja as we progress south. So far we have driven over 900 miles in the Baja and have enjoyed the vast majority of them. La Paz, Los Barrilles and Todos Santos await.

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First let me say it must be a tedious and thankless job to slog through all the details that putting together this book takes. Much of it is very good. But because it is already 4-5 years out of date many things have changed DRASTICALLY. Here are some of the most important.

GAS STATIONS; there is a lot made in the book of being cheated by gas station boys by not zeroing pumps from the previous purchases and shorting change. Forget everything in the book. The VAST MAJORITY of Pemex stations (if not all) are equipped with electronic pumps that automatically zero themselves out from the last transaction (as pumps have for many years) Many Pemex are now Self Service just like in the USA. The bigger and newer stations may have self-serve and serviced pumps. Use the self-service.

Contrary to what is written in the book Every Pemex we went to took Credit cards. Even in small towns. AND in every case where we paid cash the gas station boys were scrupulous about giving us the right change and in many cases gave us more change than we had coming because there were leftover centavos. So if the bill was 150.30 Pesos they gave me 50 pesos in change. I always spoke Spanish to them and I don’t know if this made any difference as many spoke some English but they can’t keep the pumps open. So RELAX on this point it’s easy and straight forward.

CREDIT CARDS: We found that many larger Mercados and certainly the larger chain supermarkets all take credit Cards. I used a combination of Pesos and Credit Cards. This is true even in the smaller places.

Driving and Roads: I find the Mexican roads in the BAJA for the most part easy and enjoyable to drive. Yes there are challenging parts and narrow sections that require a heightened state of attention. But by and large there is nothing that should cause too much concern. Anyone decently competent in driving their rig will be able to negotiate the Baja roads.

Military Checkpoints: Many Americans I think are scared off by the idea of the Military Checkpoints in Mexico. In EVERY case (4) where we have been stopped and searched at a Military Checkpoint the young soldiers have been exceedingly polite, careful and respectful of us, our rig and our things. All spoke some level of English more than enough to do their jobs well. As I accompanied them through our trailer no matter where they looked or what cabinet they opened they were always careful to return things to their original place. (US Customs are you listening?)

In these cases I greeted them in Spanish but switched to English and stayed there. This comes from long experience with dealing with soldiers and checkpoints around the world. I think that you have nothing to fear from these checkpoints. These soldiers do not have that overbearing “Command Presence” and attitude you find among so many of our uniformed officers in the states whether Police or Customs or the local Dog Catcher. These young soldiers are simply doing their job and stopping all Mexican vehicles as well as tourist ones.

In summation; the Mike and Terri Church book, Camping in Mexico's Baja, is a great resource. A great foundation. But it is out of date and out of step with the realities of the Baja in 2015. Definitely get it and take it with you. But realize it’s shortcomings and don’t take it as Gospel.

Many of their RV park descriptions are accurate even to this day. Prices may be lower than are quoted in the book. But many of the highly touted parks I think have “rested on their laurels” and have declined. New ones have sprung up and offer a great experience.
We will have more updates as we go along and hope to bring you more of the reality of the day-to-day experience of traveling the Baja as we progress south. So far we have driven over 900 miles in the Baja and have enjoyed the vast majority of them. La Paz, Los Barrilles and Todos Santos await.","body@stringLength":"3991","rawBody":"The Mike and Terri Church Book. First let me say it must be a tedious and thankless job to slog through all the details that putting together this book takes. Much of it is very good. But because it is already 4-5 years out of date many things have changed DRASTICALLY. Here are some of the most important.

GAS STATIONS; there is a lot made in the book of being cheated by gas station boys by not zeroing pumps from the previous purchases and shorting change. Forget everything in the book. The VAST MAJORITY of Pemex stations (if not all) are equipped with electronic pumps that automatically zero themselves out from the last transaction (as pumps have for many years) Many Pemex are now Self Service just like in the USA. The bigger and newer stations may have self-serve and serviced pumps. Use the self-service.

Contrary to what is written in the book Every Pemex we went to took Credit cards. Even in small towns. AND in every case where we paid cash the gas station boys were scrupulous about giving us the right change and in many cases gave us more change than we had coming because there were leftover centavos. So if the bill was 150.30 Pesos they gave me 50 pesos in change. I always spoke Spanish to them and I don’t know if this made any difference as many spoke some English but they can’t keep the pumps open. So RELAX on this point it’s easy and straight forward.

CREDIT CARDS: We found that many larger Mercados and certainly the larger chain supermarkets all take credit Cards. I used a combination of Pesos and Credit Cards. This is true even in the smaller places.

Driving and Roads: I find the Mexican roads in the BAJA for the most part easy and enjoyable to drive. Yes there are challenging parts and narrow sections that require a heightened state of attention. But by and large there is nothing that should cause too much concern. Anyone decently competent in driving their rig will be able to negotiate the Baja roads.

Military Checkpoints: Many Americans I think are scared off by the idea of the Military Checkpoints in Mexico. In EVERY case (4) where we have been stopped and searched at a Military Checkpoint the young soldiers have been exceedingly polite, careful and respectful of us, our rig and our things. All spoke some level of English more than enough to do their jobs well. As I accompanied them through our trailer no matter where they looked or what cabinet they opened they were always careful to return things to their original place. (US Customs are you listening?)

In these cases I greeted them in Spanish but switched to English and stayed there. This comes from long experience with dealing with soldiers and checkpoints around the world. I think that you have nothing to fear from these checkpoints. These soldiers do not have that overbearing “Command Presence” and attitude you find among so many of our uniformed officers in the states whether Police or Customs or the local Dog Catcher. These young soldiers are simply doing their job and stopping all Mexican vehicles as well as tourist ones.

In summation; the Mike and Terri Church book, Camping in Mexico's Baja, is a great resource. A great foundation. But it is out of date and out of step with the realities of the Baja in 2015. Definitely get it and take it with you. But realize it’s shortcomings and don’t take it as Gospel.

Many of their RV park descriptions are accurate even to this day. Prices may be lower than are quoted in the book. But many of the highly touted parks I think have “rested on their laurels” and have declined. New ones have sprung up and offer a great experience.
We will have more updates as we go along and hope to bring you more of the reality of the day-to-day experience of traveling the Baja as we progress south. So far we have driven over 900 miles in the Baja and have enjoyed the vast majority of them. 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Card Fee VISA INTERNATIONAL SERVICE ASSESSMENT Date 12/04/15 %% \t$ 3.65

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Card Fee VISA INTERNATIONAL SERVICE ASSESSMENT Date 12/04/15 %% \t$ 3.65

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folks who are contemplating going to Baja realize it is not the mainland and really are more concerned with the specific information for that location


My comments mostly had to do with using a credit card and being charged an \"international fee\" which I believe you would find whether you are on the mainland or Baja. You are out of the US and if you have such a card you may be charged fees. So checking with your financial institution is my suggestion and applies to anyone going just about anywhere. I have no idea why some are charged fees and some are not. Makes no sense to me. But I do think if someone is going to be charged a fee on their card in Mexico they are going to get charged in Baja as well.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-12-01T19:32:27.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-12-01T19:32:27.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":445},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2015474/message:2015502","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"746","rawBody":"
folks who are contemplating going to Baja realize it is not the mainland and really are more concerned with the specific information for that location


My comments mostly had to do with using a credit card and being charged an \"international fee\" which I believe you would find whether you are on the mainland or Baja. You are out of the US and if you have such a card you may be charged fees. So checking with your financial institution is my suggestion and applies to anyone going just about anywhere. I have no idea why some are charged fees and some are not. Makes no sense to me. But I do think if someone is going to be charged a fee on their card in Mexico they are going to get charged in Baja as well.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2015502_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015501":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2015501","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2015501":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:105659"},"id":"message:2015501","revisionNum":1,"uid":2015501,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2015474"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2015474"},"subject":"Re: The Church Book - Camping Mexico's Baja","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015501"},"body":"
MOST of the written information including web sites are sorely out of date.


Doing the research and then putting it all down into words and going through the process of publishing and distributing is an immense job for little reward. It is usually a labor of love. Today it is just too involved and takes too much work. I have suggested many times on this forum that folks should report what they learn to some central location where it can be listed for all to find and look at. But even that - running such a site - takes a lot of work and time and there is pretty much no reward. The Churches had the updates to their books on their website. But it takes people sending them the info so they can post new info. It didn't work I guess. People don't send the info. So everything but our own efforts, experiences, research, etc. is going to be out of date unless we share all of that info with everyone. It doesn't get done. We try to post what we know but as often as not someone will find a way to criticize - and we all do this as well. So recent info is hard to come-by unless we ask specific questions about specific places. Not generalization. I know things that we learn over the years about all kinds of stuff - like border crossing here - or boondocking there - but I can't write it all out. Any book is going to be out of date - it could even be out of date by the time it is published and distributed. So we keep our own files and update them whenever we learn something new - this place closed - new place opened - new road here - new route there. No one is going to do it for us anymore. When someone posts something useful here we save it to our own files and can then refer to the info as needed. No way to remember it all. Even old books can be great as there are things that do not change - where are the ruins - the pyramids - the amazing towns - the best beaches - the beautiful 400 year old churches - the list goes on. But the rules that applied last week may not apply next week. We know not to expect these things. Baja is Baja - but it is still part of Mexico and there are rules that apply wherever you go in Mexico. We have been to Baja. Not our thing. But we may go again anyway. People visit this website to learn all they can about Mexico - as well as places further south - so we post about what we have learned about Mexico.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-12-01T19:21:40.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-12-01T19:21:40.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":445},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2015474/message:2015501","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"2391","rawBody":"
MOST of the written information including web sites are sorely out of date.


Doing the research and then putting it all down into words and going through the process of publishing and distributing is an immense job for little reward. It is usually a labor of love. Today it is just too involved and takes too much work. I have suggested many times on this forum that folks should report what they learn to some central location where it can be listed for all to find and look at. But even that - running such a site - takes a lot of work and time and there is pretty much no reward. The Churches had the updates to their books on their website. But it takes people sending them the info so they can post new info. It didn't work I guess. People don't send the info. So everything but our own efforts, experiences, research, etc. is going to be out of date unless we share all of that info with everyone. It doesn't get done. We try to post what we know but as often as not someone will find a way to criticize - and we all do this as well. So recent info is hard to come-by unless we ask specific questions about specific places. Not generalization. I know things that we learn over the years about all kinds of stuff - like border crossing here - or boondocking there - but I can't write it all out. Any book is going to be out of date - it could even be out of date by the time it is published and distributed. So we keep our own files and update them whenever we learn something new - this place closed - new place opened - new road here - new route there. No one is going to do it for us anymore. When someone posts something useful here we save it to our own files and can then refer to the info as needed. No way to remember it all. Even old books can be great as there are things that do not change - where are the ruins - the pyramids - the amazing towns - the best beaches - the beautiful 400 year old churches - the list goes on. But the rules that applied last week may not apply next week. We know not to expect these things. Baja is Baja - but it is still part of Mexico and there are rules that apply wherever you go in Mexico. We have been to Baja. Not our thing. But we may go again anyway. People visit this website to learn all they can about Mexico - as well as places further south - so we post about what we have learned about Mexico.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2015501_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015500":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2015500","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2015500":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:277427"},"id":"message:2015500","revisionNum":1,"uid":2015500,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2015474"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2015474"},"subject":"Re: The Church Book - Camping Mexico's Baja","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015500"},"body":"
briansue wrote:
clearly about the Baja


Yep - I get that - completely understood - but I look at this as the Mexico Forum where people who might be interested in visiting Mexico and traveling by RV look for information. My point was to try to clarify things others said as well as what I had posted previously. Things are changing rapidly in Mexico - just as they are all over the rest of the world. Some parts of the world will skip credit cards altogether and go directly to using cell phones to pay for things - as they are already doing in places like Kenya. But for those who come to this forum to learn about Mexico we try to inform them about as much about Mexico as we can.


Well you are to be commended for your efforts. But it strikes me that those folks who are contemplating going to Baja realize it is not the mainland and really are more concerned with the specific information for that location. Ie. They know the difference. But I welcome your point of view.

It is interesting to me that things are changing rapidly in Mexico but MOST of the written information including web sites are sorely out of date. With so many \"Mexico Experts\" and \"Old Hands\" out there you'd think things would be more current. Unfortunately not.

As for Kenya both my Mastercard and Visa and even my Amex was accepted there in places surprising to even me.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-11-30T17:12:52.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-11-30T17:12:52.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":445},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2015474/message:2015500","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1445","rawBody":"
briansue wrote:
clearly about the Baja


Yep - I get that - completely understood - but I look at this as the Mexico Forum where people who might be interested in visiting Mexico and traveling by RV look for information. My point was to try to clarify things others said as well as what I had posted previously. Things are changing rapidly in Mexico - just as they are all over the rest of the world. Some parts of the world will skip credit cards altogether and go directly to using cell phones to pay for things - as they are already doing in places like Kenya. But for those who come to this forum to learn about Mexico we try to inform them about as much about Mexico as we can.


Well you are to be commended for your efforts. But it strikes me that those folks who are contemplating going to Baja realize it is not the mainland and really are more concerned with the specific information for that location. Ie. They know the difference. But I welcome your point of view.

It is interesting to me that things are changing rapidly in Mexico but MOST of the written information including web sites are sorely out of date. With so many \"Mexico Experts\" and \"Old Hands\" out there you'd think things would be more current. Unfortunately not.

As for Kenya both my Mastercard and Visa and even my Amex was accepted there in places surprising to even me.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2015500_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015499":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2015499","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2015499":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:105659"},"id":"message:2015499","revisionNum":1,"uid":2015499,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2015474"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2015474"},"subject":"Re: The Church Book - Camping Mexico's Baja","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015499"},"body":"
clearly about the Baja


Yep - I get that - completely understood - but I look at this as the Mexico Forum where people who might be interested in visiting Mexico and traveling by RV look for information. My point was to try to clarify things others said as well as what I had posted previously. Things are changing rapidly in Mexico - just as they are all over the rest of the world. Some parts of the world will skip credit cards altogether and go directly to using cell phones to pay for things - as they are already doing in places like Kenya. But for those who come to this forum to learn about Mexico we try to inform them about as much about Mexico as we can.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-11-30T09:51:30.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-11-30T09:51:30.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":446},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2015474/message:2015499","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"700","rawBody":"
clearly about the Baja


Yep - I get that - completely understood - but I look at this as the Mexico Forum where people who might be interested in visiting Mexico and traveling by RV look for information. My point was to try to clarify things others said as well as what I had posted previously. Things are changing rapidly in Mexico - just as they are all over the rest of the world. Some parts of the world will skip credit cards altogether and go directly to using cell phones to pay for things - as they are already doing in places like Kenya. But for those who come to this forum to learn about Mexico we try to inform them about as much about Mexico as we can.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2015499_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:298769":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:298769","uid":298769,"login":"bighatnohorse","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-01-15T05:57:20.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:298769"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015498":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2015498","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2015498":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:298769"},"id":"message:2015498","revisionNum":1,"uid":2015498,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2015474"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2015474"},"subject":"Re: The Church Book - Camping Mexico's Baja","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015498"},"body":"
4X4Dodger wrote:

My post was clearly about the Baja. Not the rest of Mexico.

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4X4Dodger wrote:

My post was clearly about the Baja. Not the rest of Mexico.

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My post was clearly about the Baja. Not the rest of Mexico. Further at the one or two stations where I was told they didnt take cards...It was Foreign cards they didnt want. But when pressed they took it and it processed.

I am sure there are a few for reasons of communications or other factors that dont take them but my feeling is they are few and far between nowdays.

The entire purpose of my post is to let people know that much of what they read not only in the \"Experts\" books but also here is out of date and out of touch with the reality. IN the BAJA. I am not making any claims about the mainland. But I will when I get there.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-11-30T05:33:30.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-11-30T05:33:30.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":446},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2015474/message:2015497","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"835","rawBody":"Briansue wrote: \"We travel extensively all over Mexico every year - 28 of 31 states - and have been to many Pemex stations where credit cards are still not accepted.\"

My post was clearly about the Baja. Not the rest of Mexico. Further at the one or two stations where I was told they didnt take cards...It was Foreign cards they didnt want. But when pressed they took it and it processed.

I am sure there are a few for reasons of communications or other factors that dont take them but my feeling is they are few and far between nowdays.

The entire purpose of my post is to let people know that much of what they read not only in the \"Experts\" books but also here is out of date and out of touch with the reality. IN the BAJA. I am not making any claims about the mainland. But I will when I get there.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2015497_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015496":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2015496","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2015496":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:105659"},"id":"message:2015496","revisionNum":1,"uid":2015496,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2015474"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2015474"},"subject":"Re: The Church Book - Camping Mexico's Baja","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015496"},"body":"I certainly do not want to beat this to death but I do think people who are not very familiar with travel in Mexico should be aware of a few things which is what I tried to post about. To try to clarify....

cards are accepted at most places now


We travel extensively all over Mexico every year - 28 of 31 states - and have been to many Pemex stations where credit cards are still not accepted.

carrying large amounts of cash


We never ever carry large amounts of cash anywhere and strongly advise against it - anywhere on the planet. We go to an ATM machine at a bank location to get cash as we need it using our no fee debit card.

charged extra fees for foreign transactions


The fee I mentioned above was a fee charged by Visa - not a bank - not a merchant - Visa - which I stated. The only time we use a credit card in Mexico is to pay the vehicle deposit which I believe we paid around $300 and were charged about $10 - because they require that we use a credit card for the deposit. Both the deposit and the fee are refunded when we leave the country. If you use a card that charges a fee for using it in a foreign country it will be clearly stated on your bank statement. It is not a fee that is rolled into the exchange rate.

monitor your account ans see what processed and compare the exchange rates


We monitor all our accounts online every time we do any kind of transaction. It is next to impossible to know the exchange rate in Mexico as it seems to change almost hourly. We can go to one machine and get one rate and another machine gives another rate. We can go into the bank to see the rate but they will tell us that the rate in their machine is better (and different). Go to several online sites that show exchange rates for Mexico and see different rates. The only way we know exactly what rate we got is by knowing how many pesos we bought and then doing the math from how many dollars came out of our account. It changes all the time.

take all of my accounts to another bank who will not charge me ATM fees


We belong to a credit union that does not charge ATM fees and is in the co-op system where there are over 20,000 no fee machines in the US. If a Mexican bank says we will be charged a fee in Mexico our statement says \"Fee Waived Due To RBP\" which is some deal I once asked about but forget what they told me. We do not pay fees. Which is one of the reasons we do not use credit cards in Mexico - Visa charges fees on their credit cards internationally.

My one and only intention is to let people know that they should check with their financial institution to try to find out what kind of fees you might expect to pay if you travel in Mexico and use any of various cards. Lots of people may tell you all kinds of different things but none of these things may apply to your account. Know before you go.

We have substantial accounts with two credit unions - all savings and checking - no loans ever - we do not borrow and we do not pay interest - no loans - no interest - just do not believe in paying interest. Interest is a fee and we do not pay fees. I think we are all aware that when our money is on deposit at a bank or credit union they can do things with it - loan it - invest it - so they make money on our money while it is in their care. That should be enough. My father taught me if you can't afford to buy it outright you don't need it. I never even had a mortgage - built my own house from the ground up out of pocket - paycheck to paycheck. We don't have to go to money managers - they come to us wanting to get a piece of managing our money.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-11-29T22:05:04.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-11-29T22:05:04.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":445},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2015474/message:2015496","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"3841","rawBody":"I certainly do not want to beat this to death but I do think people who are not very familiar with travel in Mexico should be aware of a few things which is what I tried to post about. To try to clarify....

cards are accepted at most places now


We travel extensively all over Mexico every year - 28 of 31 states - and have been to many Pemex stations where credit cards are still not accepted.

carrying large amounts of cash


We never ever carry large amounts of cash anywhere and strongly advise against it - anywhere on the planet. We go to an ATM machine at a bank location to get cash as we need it using our no fee debit card.

charged extra fees for foreign transactions


The fee I mentioned above was a fee charged by Visa - not a bank - not a merchant - Visa - which I stated. The only time we use a credit card in Mexico is to pay the vehicle deposit which I believe we paid around $300 and were charged about $10 - because they require that we use a credit card for the deposit. Both the deposit and the fee are refunded when we leave the country. If you use a card that charges a fee for using it in a foreign country it will be clearly stated on your bank statement. It is not a fee that is rolled into the exchange rate.

monitor your account ans see what processed and compare the exchange rates


We monitor all our accounts online every time we do any kind of transaction. It is next to impossible to know the exchange rate in Mexico as it seems to change almost hourly. We can go to one machine and get one rate and another machine gives another rate. We can go into the bank to see the rate but they will tell us that the rate in their machine is better (and different). Go to several online sites that show exchange rates for Mexico and see different rates. The only way we know exactly what rate we got is by knowing how many pesos we bought and then doing the math from how many dollars came out of our account. It changes all the time.

take all of my accounts to another bank who will not charge me ATM fees


We belong to a credit union that does not charge ATM fees and is in the co-op system where there are over 20,000 no fee machines in the US. If a Mexican bank says we will be charged a fee in Mexico our statement says \"Fee Waived Due To RBP\" which is some deal I once asked about but forget what they told me. We do not pay fees. Which is one of the reasons we do not use credit cards in Mexico - Visa charges fees on their credit cards internationally.

My one and only intention is to let people know that they should check with their financial institution to try to find out what kind of fees you might expect to pay if you travel in Mexico and use any of various cards. Lots of people may tell you all kinds of different things but none of these things may apply to your account. Know before you go.

We have substantial accounts with two credit unions - all savings and checking - no loans ever - we do not borrow and we do not pay interest - no loans - no interest - just do not believe in paying interest. Interest is a fee and we do not pay fees. I think we are all aware that when our money is on deposit at a bank or credit union they can do things with it - loan it - invest it - so they make money on our money while it is in their care. That should be enough. My father taught me if you can't afford to buy it outright you don't need it. I never even had a mortgage - built my own house from the ground up out of pocket - paycheck to paycheck. We don't have to go to money managers - they come to us wanting to get a piece of managing our money.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":3,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2015496_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015495":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2015495","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2015495":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:277427"},"id":"message:2015495","revisionNum":1,"uid":2015495,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2015474"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2015474"},"subject":"Re: The Church Book - Camping Mexico's Baja","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015495"},"body":"I think many of you missed the original point in my post about cards be they debit or credit as long as they have a Visa or MC logo on them. And I was using the term Credit Card to cover both and should have been clearer.

The point was in the Church book it says that Pemex do not accept credit cards (or debit). I was pointing out this was NOT TRUE any longer. Second I also noted that cards are accepted at most places now where they were not at the time the Churches wrote the book.

My post did not say it was better or not. Though I do believe for most people it is better and safer to use the a card. It is certainly safer than carrying large amounts of cash on you.

It sounds as if some are being charged extra fees for foreign transactions...not necessarily the actual exchange. All you have to do is monitor your account ans see what processed and compare the exchange rates.

When I have several substantial accounts with one bank, car loans, Boat loan savings and checking and maybe a retirement account I sit down with the bank manager and negotiate out the fees. I simply tell them I can take all of my accounts to another bank who will not charge me ATM fees or other onerous fees. Losing big accounts is a blow to any branch manager and you will be surprised how much they can make happen for you.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-11-29T15:03:02.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-11-29T15:03:02.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":446},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2015474/message:2015495","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1354","rawBody":"I think many of you missed the original point in my post about cards be they debit or credit as long as they have a Visa or MC logo on them. And I was using the term Credit Card to cover both and should have been clearer.

The point was in the Church book it says that Pemex do not accept credit cards (or debit). I was pointing out this was NOT TRUE any longer. Second I also noted that cards are accepted at most places now where they were not at the time the Churches wrote the book.

My post did not say it was better or not. Though I do believe for most people it is better and safer to use the a card. It is certainly safer than carrying large amounts of cash on you.

It sounds as if some are being charged extra fees for foreign transactions...not necessarily the actual exchange. All you have to do is monitor your account ans see what processed and compare the exchange rates.

When I have several substantial accounts with one bank, car loans, Boat loan savings and checking and maybe a retirement account I sit down with the bank manager and negotiate out the fees. I simply tell them I can take all of my accounts to another bank who will not charge me ATM fees or other onerous fees. Losing big accounts is a blow to any branch manager and you will be surprised how much they can make happen for you.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2015495_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015494":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2015494","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2015494":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:105659"},"id":"message:2015494","revisionNum":1,"uid":2015494,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2015474"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2015474"},"subject":"Re: The Church Book - Camping Mexico's Baja","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2015494"},"body":"
I guess we will have to beat the CC charges to death again.


I don't think that should be necessary. My only point was that things vary from card to card and bank to bank so folks might want to check to see what charges they might find if they use their particular card. We cannot provide any answers because each card might be different. Each individual needs to know the details of their particular card. No reason to beat that to death here.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-11-29T06:38:33.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-11-29T06:38:33.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":445},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2015474/message:2015494","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"479","rawBody":"
I guess we will have to beat the CC charges to death again.


I don't think that should be necessary. My only point was that things vary from card to card and bank to bank so folks might want to check to see what charges they might find if they use their particular card. We cannot provide any answers because each card might be different. Each individual needs to know the details of their particular card. 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