350 HP ICE vs. 350 HP Diesel?

JumboJet wrote:

wny_pat wrote:
Until you understand things like "bore and stroke" and then piston size, this whole thread has been a waste of time.

Bore - stroke - compression ratio - hemispherical vs. domed "pop top" v. flat piston types - camshafts - timing - octane and cetane rating, etc.

6 cylinder vs. 8 or 10 cylinder.

"There is NO substitute for cubic inches" theory.

I wonder how many people here have ever rebuilt an engine? My first rebuild was a 4 cylinder on an 8-N Ford tractor when I was a teenager. I have rebuilt slant 6's, Ford and Chevy V-8s. Performance V-8s using Crane cams, Edlebrock components, Accel electronics.

Does anyone here wonder why NASCAR races are mostly only 500 miles? The high revving, high horsepower, high performance engines can't take much more stress.

There are only a few 500 mile Nascar races these days and one 600 mile one and its not because of engines.its more with TV,fans, etc etc
If race is too long you loose your viewing audience etc
and besides what does it have to do with gas verses diesel??

JumboJet wrote:
Does anyone here wonder why NASCAR races are mostly only 500 miles? The high revving, high horsepower, high performance engines can't take much more stress.

And they usually start the next race with a brand new engine, at the tune of $45,000 to $80,000 per engine!

Apparently this thread is about what you own and why it is better. Fact is, we buy what suits our needs. If it is better, than it is better. I like diesel, from my FW days until now, living in Colorado it really makes sense to have a diesel. There are a lot of gassers out there. They are very slow up the mountains, probably due as much to the lack of O2 vs any other factor. I like the quiet and the power. MPGs are only minimal over gassers. If I see 8 mpg, I am over the moon. Flat land MPG on a windless day can get me almost 8.5. In a pusher, the tenths are easier to track. 7.7 to 8.5 is about my range. My dad has a gasser and we are still on speaking terms. More money gets you more and that is how it is. His little gasser gets over 10 at times but he sleeps on a littler bed and only carries 50 gallons of water and has about a 320 mile range. I have a king sized gel bed, 100 gallons of water and have a 770 to 850 mile range. Apples to apples, gentlemen (and ladies). Apples to apples.

JumboJet wrote:

OhhWell wrote:
How about if both trucks being apples to apples had the gasser's transmission and rear gears?

The diesel engine would detonate the gasser's transmission and rear gears.

I bought my son a new differential for his Chevy Z-71 after he pulled my 5,200 lb. smoker trailer over a 1.000 miles and bought all his gaoline for the trip.

Good point. I should have specified saying the Gasser's transmission ratios.

The z71 is a half ton 4x4 and, depending on the year, would be right at the limit with that load. The fuel type had nothing to do with the differential blow out.

OhhWell wrote:
How about if both trucks being apples to apples had the gasser's transmission and rear gears?

The diesel engine would detonate the gasser's transmission and rear gears.

I bought my son a new differential for his Chevy Z-71 after he pulled my 5,200 lb. smoker trailer over a 1.000 miles and bought all his gaoline for the trip.

wny_pat wrote:
Until you understand things like "bore and stroke" and then piston size, this whole thread has been a waste of time.

Bore - stroke - compression ratio - hemispherical vs. domed "pop top" v. flat piston types - camshafts - timing - octane and cetane rating, etc.

6 cylinder vs. 8 or 10 cylinder.

"There is NO substitute for cubic inches" theory.

I wonder how many people here have ever rebuilt an engine? My first rebuild was a 4 cylinder on an 8-N Ford tractor when I was a teenager. I have rebuilt slant 6's, Ford and Chevy V-8s. Performance V-8s using Crane cams, Edlebrock components, Accel electronics.

Does anyone here wonder why NASCAR races are mostly only 500 miles? The high revving, high horsepower, high performance engines can't take much more stress.

JumboJet wrote:

OhhWell wrote:

JumboJet wrote:

OhhWell wrote:

JumboJet wrote:
OP's topic: 350 HP ICE vs. 350 HP Diesel?

My challenge, that Daveinet bastardized with his souped up dragster camouflaged as a motorhome, is this:

Get a 400 c.i./400 HP (I'll even give you 20 HP advantage) gasoline powered truck with a 35 gallon fuel tank, total GVW of 25,000 lbs. pulling a gooseneck loaded trailer. On a 1,250 mile trip, with a 50 mile head start for the gas powered pickup, cruise set at 65 mph, from the I-81 PA/MD border to Fayetteville, AR, I will beat it to the end of the trip by at least one hour.

I don't care about torque, horsepower, gearing, RPMs, etc. - I care about an apples to apples comparison excluding the fuel type. The diesel will win every time.

Why would you beat it, all the stops the gasser will have to make due to lower fuel economy and a smaller gas tank?

You just cannot comprehend what you read. Apples to apples except for fuel type. That means 3.73 diff in both trucks, 35 gallon fuel tanks both trucks. 25,000 lbs. GVW both trucks. Make them Dodges so the body style will be the same as far as wind resistance. You have been smelling gasoline fumes too long!

Out of hundreds of people that have happened to have towed 5th wheel campers with both gas and diesel, I bet there are only a few of you that prefer gasoline.

Any reason you cannot answer my question or did you have trouble comprehending it? And you didn't make it a complete apples for apples, you gave the gasser 20 more HP and a 50 mile head start. Read your own doggone post before coming on here attacking me. :S

Still waiting for an actual reason why the diesel would get there at least an hour earlier other than fuel stops........

It is still apples to apples - just that the gasser is a red delicious vs. the diesel being a golden delicious.

The gasser WOULD have to stop more for fuel and would lose more time on the hills which are plentiful and some quite long across that route. I am seriously doubtful that the cruise control could maintain 65 mph on the gasser. But, having actually made that trip under all those conditions myself, I know what my stock RAM 3500 is capable of.

I am headed back across that same route on March 14 returning on March 17. I will only be at a GVW of 14,000 so I expect to run 70 MPH on this trip.

...and if I WAS attacking you, we would need to head over to the "Do you feel threatened..." thread.

Lol, you were attacking me (blatantly with the smelling fumes dig) but that's fine. I can take it. I recognize ad hominem when I see it.

So, you set up a fantasy situation that could never happen and just declare the way it would turn out? How about if both trucks being apples to apples had the gasser's transmission and rear gears?

Anyhow, if everything else was equal and they both had perfect CVTs in the drivetrain, they would get there at about the same time. The guy driving the gasser could just turn the radio up or something if the rev'ing engine bothered him too much.

Until you understand things like "bore and stroke" and then piston size, this whole thread has been a waste of time.

OhhWell wrote:

JumboJet wrote:

OhhWell wrote:

JumboJet wrote:
OP's topic: 350 HP ICE vs. 350 HP Diesel?

My challenge, that Daveinet bastardized with his souped up dragster camouflaged as a motorhome, is this:

Get a 400 c.i./400 HP (I'll even give you 20 HP advantage) gasoline powered truck with a 35 gallon fuel tank, total GVW of 25,000 lbs. pulling a gooseneck loaded trailer. On a 1,250 mile trip, with a 50 mile head start for the gas powered pickup, cruise set at 65 mph, from the I-81 PA/MD border to Fayetteville, AR, I will beat it to the end of the trip by at least one hour.

I don't care about torque, horsepower, gearing, RPMs, etc. - I care about an apples to apples comparison excluding the fuel type. The diesel will win every time.

Why would you beat it, all the stops the gasser will have to make due to lower fuel economy and a smaller gas tank?

You just cannot comprehend what you read. Apples to apples except for fuel type. That means 3.73 diff in both trucks, 35 gallon fuel tanks both trucks. 25,000 lbs. GVW both trucks. Make them Dodges so the body style will be the same as far as wind resistance. You have been smelling gasoline fumes too long!

Out of hundreds of people that have happened to have towed 5th wheel campers with both gas and diesel, I bet there are only a few of you that prefer gasoline.

Any reason you cannot answer my question or did you have trouble comprehending it? And you didn't make it a complete apples for apples, you gave the gasser 20 more HP and a 50 mile head start. Read your own doggone post before coming on here attacking me. :S

Still waiting for an actual reason why the diesel would get there at least an hour earlier other than fuel stops........

It is still apples to apples - just that the gasser is a red delicious vs. the diesel being a golden delicious.

The gasser WOULD have to stop more for fuel and would lose more time on the hills which are plentiful and some quite long across that route. I am seriously doubtful that the cruise control could maintain 65 mph on the gasser. But, having actually made that trip under all those conditions myself, I know what my stock RAM 3500 is capable of.

I am headed back across that same route on March 14 returning on March 17. I will only be at a GVW of 14,000 so I expect to run 70 MPH on this trip.

...and if I WAS attacking you, we would need to head over to the "Do you feel threatened..." thread.

JumboJet wrote:

OhhWell wrote:

JumboJet wrote:
OP's topic: 350 HP ICE vs. 350 HP Diesel?

My challenge, that Daveinet bastardized with his souped up dragster camouflaged as a motorhome, is this:

Get a 400 c.i./400 HP (I'll even give you 20 HP advantage) gasoline powered truck with a 35 gallon fuel tank, total GVW of 25,000 lbs. pulling a gooseneck loaded trailer. On a 1,250 mile trip, with a 50 mile head start for the gas powered pickup, cruise set at 65 mph, from the I-81 PA/MD border to Fayetteville, AR, I will beat it to the end of the trip by at least one hour.

I don't care about torque, horsepower, gearing, RPMs, etc. - I care about an apples to apples comparison excluding the fuel type. The diesel will win every time.

Why would you beat it, all the stops the gasser will have to make due to lower fuel economy and a smaller gas tank?

You just cannot comprehend what you read. Apples to apples except for fuel type. That means 3.73 diff in both trucks, 35 gallon fuel tanks both trucks. 25,000 lbs. GVW both trucks. Make them Dodges so the body style will be the same as far as wind resistance. You have been smelling gasoline fumes too long!

Out of hundreds of people that have happened to have towed 5th wheel campers with both gas and diesel, I bet there are only a few of you that prefer gasoline.

Any reason you cannot answer my question or did you have trouble comprehending it? And you didn't make it a complete apples for apples, you gave the gasser 20 more HP and a 50 mile head start. Read your own doggone post before coming on here attacking me. :S

Still waiting for an actual reason why the diesel would get there at least an hour earlier other than fuel stops........