Wrong Pump in AZ

msmith1199 wrote:

Rollnhome wrote:
Just got off phone with Fuel Tax Fraud. First person didn't didn't know. Was transfered to higher up personnel. I was told all private mh no matter weight or number of axles could use the light class fuel pumps. This person is e mailing me the information. As soon as i get the document I will cut and paste to this thread. Number called 602-712-8473 but was transferred to another unknown number. Now we wait.

LOL, so now we're back to square one with two different answers from two different government officials in Arizona!!! But I do like the answer you got the best. We'll have to wait and see what he emails you.

I know, right? So I too just called the # that Rollnhome did and the woman who answered the phone was a little short with me because she claimed that I was bugging everyone in her department which she is the head of. Anyway, after I told her who the gentleman was that I talked to from my previous post, she said that he was the "all knowing" of anyone there. She also took my email and said that she would send me the final answer to our questions to settle this. So, we will see.

Rollnhome wrote:
Just got off phone with Fuel Tax Fraud. First person didn't didn't know. Was transfered to higher up personnel. I was told all private mh no matter weight or number of axles could use the light class fuel pumps. This person is e mailing me the information. As soon as i get the document I will cut and paste to this thread. Number called 602-712-8473 but was transferred to another unknown number. Now we wait.

LOL, so now we're back to square one with two different answers from two different government officials in Arizona!!! But I do like the answer you got the best. We'll have to wait and see what he emails you.

Just got off phone with Fuel Tax Fraud. First person didn't didn't know. Was transfered to higher up personnel. I was told all private mh no matter weight or number of axles could use the light class fuel pumps. This person is e mailing me the information. As soon as i get the document I will cut and paste to this thread. Number called 602-712-8473 but was transferred to another unknown number. Now we wait.

TucsonJim wrote:
Okay, the toll free number was absolutely useless! The automatic answering machine answers as "Fuel Fraud Hotline", and give three options.

Option 1 - Report Suspected Fuel Fraud. I pushed this option and the machine said "thanks for your message, Goodbye". It didn't give me a chance to leave a message or be routed to an operator. It just hung up on me.

So I called back and pushed Option 2 - Refund Forms. The answering machine said "thanks for your message, Goodbye". It didn't give me a chance to leave a message or be routed to an operator. It just hung up on me.

Next was the dreaded Option 3 - Hang up and dial another number which is the Arizona Department of Transportation main number. The phone number is 602-255-0072. It took a few minutes of going through the options after initially dialing. I was put on hold, so I held, and held, and held. After 18 minutes, I had to hang up to in order to make it to an appointment.

I give up.

Yeah Jim, I got the same thing. So I called the General Question # for ADOT, was transferred to Weights and Measures, transferred to a person who could answer my questions, she gave the # of the person in charge if these issues. Talked to this gentleman for 15 minutes and he is basically saying that RVs over 26k and 3 or more axles are not exempt from paying the higher fuel tax. It is all based on that bigger heavier vehicles put more stress on the roads and it does not matter if you are commercial or private. So I told him about my situation about not having any "use fuel" pumps near me here in the East Valley and he said he is aware of this problem but had no solutions. He did, however, question the fact that this will impact a lot of "snow birds" and citizens alike and is going to call me back with more details about the law. That's all I know for now. Will post more when I find out more.

Okay, the toll free number was absolutely useless! The automatic answering machine answers as "Fuel Fraud Hotline", and give three options.

Option 1 - Report Suspected Fuel Fraud. I pushed this option and the machine said "thanks for your message, Goodbye". It didn't give me a chance to leave a message or be routed to an operator. It just hung up on me.

So I called back and pushed Option 2 - Refund Forms. The answering machine said "thanks for your message, Goodbye". It didn't give me a chance to leave a message or be routed to an operator. It just hung up on me.

Next was the dreaded Option 3 - Hang up and dial another number which is the Arizona Department of Transportation main number. The phone number is 602-255-0072. It took a few minutes of going through the options after initially dialing. I was put on hold, so I held, and held, and held. After 18 minutes, I had to hang up to in order to make it to an appointment.

I give up.

TucsonJim wrote:
I live in Arizona, and tomorrow morning I'll volunteer to call the number. Here are some questions I believe will clear up some of the confusion:

1. Are all private (not for commercial purposes) Recreational Vehicles exempt from paying the higher tax rate on diesel fuel?
2. If they are not exempt, can you give me some guidance I can share with others who are confused about the requirements?
3. How do travel trailers, fifth wheels, towed vehicles, etc. affect the requirements?

Do any of you have any further questions you'd like me to ask?

Due to some appointments I have in the morning, I may not be able to complete the phone call and post the results until the afternoon.

Motorhomes/RV with three axles?

Motorhomes/RV over 26,000 lbs?

If they claim that motorhomes/RV are exempt, where is that stated in writing in their materials?

Y'all missed my point...I was not suggesting "getting involved" with IFTA to track mileage and disburse taxes. My point was every state's code I found was almost word for word the exact same language as the IFTA language on covered vehicles. My thought is the states used the language from the IFTA agreement to form their code on use fuel taxes. Most of the code I read specifically exempts RVs owned and used for non-business purposes. The AZ code does not include that exemption. If you read the info on the IFTA link I provided, it says the exemptions listed are based on info provided by each state. The exemptions listed are not IFTA's...they are what each state is reporting their law is. And, AZ is listed as NOT exempting RVs. This does not mean RVs have to register through IFTA. It means that AZ requires RVs meeting the covered vehicle definition to pay the state tax.

Good Man Tucson Jim.

A thought. I would like to know what they consider a "Passenger Carrying Vehicle"
Thanks. Larry

I live in Arizona, and tomorrow morning I'll volunteer to call the number. Here are some questions I believe will clear up some of the confusion:

1. Are all private (not for commercial purposes) Recreational Vehicles exempt from paying the higher tax rate on diesel fuel?
2. If they are not exempt, can you give me some guidance I can share with others who are confused about the requirements?
3. How do travel trailers, fifth wheels, towed vehicles, etc. affect the requirements?

Do any of you have any further questions you'd like me to ask?

Due to some appointments I have in the morning, I may not be able to complete the phone call and post the results until the afternoon.

Rollnhome wrote:
I can not call that number. I'm in CA now and that is a AZ toll free number. I have calls into the fuel tax fraud enforcement office, forgot name. Plus I will call others...at least two more. ADOT has told me all RVs are exempt. You have been told they are not.
SCORE 1 to 1.
I will post what I find out as soon as I find out.
It is unbelievable how poorly this statute is written and presented.

It seems pretty clear that Arizona has published one number for questions about this issue. Calling other departments or agencies will get you answers without authority. That is exactly why they post one number for questions. They don't want those that are not informed offering opinions or answers they are not knowledgeable of or responsible for.

Are you saying that the official number shown is restricted in CA? If so, you should be able to simply go to the State of Arizona website and look up a non toll free number. In fact, the number shown for questions on the label in the .pdf file I provided is an area code 602 number that should be able to be reached from anywhere in the world... including CA.