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- When it is legislation season here in Utah and I hear anybody say "We should do X because California does it" I want to slap them because California is not an example of good financial stewardship.
- ^^^This is a response to the post before this one.
No one can not be voted out of office. These people come up for re-election all the time, if they're doing a bad job vote 'em out. The problem seems to be that everyone blames every politician but their own. :)
You hear all this talk about "term limits", but there already are in a way. Vote 'em out every time they come up for re-election. If they really are doing such a horrible job, how come they stay in office? Hmmm? - If/when I go visit California, I'll pay the fuel tax, sales tax, and any other consumer tax that hits me. When I leave, I don't pay anymore. Likewise when Californian's come visit my state (or any other state), they will reciprocate in kind.
I can't vote in California, and can't do anything about their taxes, so I really pay it no mind, and basically 'don't care'. Better to focus on those things I can try to do something about.
As far as federal taxes etc.. as WRVPO says, I can only vote for legislators in my district/state. And yes, as also WRVPO pointed out (maybe overlooked by FJ12ryder), we accept the fact the rule of the majority, but again, as he pointed out (and also overlooked, but restated), we don't have to like it.
Mike - I was too young to understand many things but understood when the temporary sales tax came along.
The only taxes I remember in the early fifties was small income tax, which most never had to pay, and about three dollars a year on however many acres Grand Mother had. Of course someone said they had a fishing license of .50 a year nd hunting and fishing was 3.00 a year. Now if you hunt deer and fish for trout it is over a hundred forty dollars a year. Have to have boating safety certificate for however much, including canoe sand logs, hunter safety certificate and so on.
If you forget to pay a tax you could lose your property,drivers license, rifle etc, fishing gear, car, freedom and so on.
Several have run the figures and illustrated that over half our income goes to taxes let aloen fees and fines and such. And don't pay any and lose your stuff.
We do work for Governments.
How do we change it since the once benefiting have perpetuated their positions in Governments and Organizations who spend a lot to keep their income from taxation coming? fj12ryder wrote:
^^^^^^What part of government by republic are we misunderstanding? This is not a government by direct democracy, it is government by republic. It means you accept the rule of the majority. And no, you don't have to like it, and can petition to change it, but until it changes, it's the law of the land. Sorry.
Not every state has the ability for petition and referendum. But every state has elections. If you don't like what is happening get involved, find others that are like minded and make your voice heard. And regardless of what many say "get out and vote". If you don't vote you are accepting what happens whether you agree or not. Maybe it won't happen this time or the next but everything has a cycle and will change.- ^^^^^^What part of government by republic are we misunderstanding? This is not a government by direct democracy, it is government by republic. It means you accept the rule of the majority. And no, you don't have to like it, and can petition to change it, but until it changes, it's the law of the land. Sorry.
fj12ryder wrote:
If legislators (I only get to vote for one from my district, all the others are elected by other people) decide on a tax increase, why do I have to follow in lockstep agreement? I may have voted for another candidate in my district and have no say in all the others. This thinking is but another example of how "conventional wisdom" has taken over the concept of thinking for yourself. Because others have decided something is beneficial does not require you to agree. Yes, it becomes the law of the land, but you don't have to like it. And no, I am not responsible for a tax increase I do not support and was not supported by the legislative candidate(s) I either voted for or was represented by.
All those taxes and fees were put in place by people duly elected. The same cannot be said about the Boston Tea Party complaints. The protesters had no say in how the taxes were levied.
Just remember that ultimately "you" are responsible for those taxes.- All those taxes and fees were, in the end, put in place by people duly elected. The same cannot be said about the Boston Tea Party complaints. The protesters had no say in how the taxes were levied.
Just remember that ultimately "you" are responsible for those taxes. - I believe it's time for another Boston Tea Party... :)
